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I. How does this movie work as a secondary source? What does the movie get right about history?

The movie, Matewan, is one of the most historically accurate movies that we have discussed so far in class. This movie recounts the events that took place with the 1920s coal miner's strike in Mingo County, West Virginia, which results in a bloody encounter between the miners and the coal company's security force on the main street in Matewan, West Virginia. Race and ethnicity were also very apparent throughout the entire movie. The role played by each of these major issues during the 1920s is crucial to understanding the history of the American working class in the post-World War II era. There were streams of immigrants and migrants coming into this rural area that had already been inhabited by a certain group of people for generations. The cultural differences that the Italian Americans, the African Americans arriving from rural Alabama, and the longtime resident Appalachian white people are all unique in their own way, and these groups try to work as a cohesive unit but it doesn't always work. All of these ethnic groups are manipulated by the mine operators that seek to maintain rigid control over the workforce. These shared experiences of forming and being apart of a labor union will ultimately reunite them as a single labor union regardless of color or background.

Zappia, Charles. “Labor, Race, and Ethnicity in the West Virginia Mines: Matewan”. Summer 2011. https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/10.5406/jamerethnhist.30.4.0044.pdf?refreqid=excelsior%3A07e772bedf7ed4e98c3fd410ebeab92b -Lauren Simpson

This week's movie, Matewan is probably the most historically accurate movie we have watched so far. This movie follows the real story of the miners in West Virginia. One way this movie could be seen and used as a secondary source is how the timeline of the movie follows the real story and accounts of the battle between the union and the miners. This movie uses real-life people to base the characters on, despite adding in a few additional fictional ones. As we know, with some of the other movies we have watched, the directors add in additional plots or romances that capture the attention of the viewers. But, this movie does not really have a “side plot” which allows for the real story of the miners to shine through on the screen. - Kaylee Williams

This film was incredibly accurate to the historical source material, and was probably one of the most accurate we have seen up until this point. The period and location accurate clothes, weapons, characters, groups and themes were all done extremely well, and if someone were to use this film as a secondary source, they could use it the same way they could use a secondary source book about the subject. The actual confrontation is not overly dramatized or longer, and felt like it could have been a real shootout.– Antonio DeGeorge

The film, Matewan is a very historically accurate film. I enjoyed learning about the mines in West Virginia, since I had no prior knowledge on it. The film is a great secondary source especially for people like myself who don't have any background in it. Most of the characters are actual people and the actual confrontation is accurate. I enjoyed getting a sense of understanding for the labor problems and race in the West Virginia mines. The miners allow us to get an understanding of the frustrations of the time as well. Overall, this film is an excellent secondary source, unlike many other films we have seen. –Tara Scroggins

Compared to the other movies we have watched, this film is probably the most accurate. It's at the very least on the same level as Glory. It takes an event that isn't well discussed in classrooms or textbooks and portrays it to a public audience in an honest way. For being a film that can be used as a secondary source, Matewan does exactly what it needs to do, or at least does as much as it needs to. One aspect that is portrayed quite well is race relations in early 20th century America. What I find interesting about this film, what I think truly separates it from the others we have watched is that it seems to actually sacrifice entertainment for accuracy. Most historically-based films take a lot of liberties in order to engage public audiences, but Matewan seems to do the opposite, which kind of relates to what Mel Gibson said when making The Patriot. The film is somewhat hard to follow at times because it deals with a relatively unfamiliar event and the pace is not very fast, but for audiences actually interested in history would find the film fascinating. For me, it was a nice change of pace. – Jordan Petty

In my opinion, the film Matewan is a very historically accurate film making it a good secondary source. This film does a good job of showing the 1920 strike in the coal mines of southern West Virginia that leads to the Matewan Massacre. I think that this film coupled with a lesson on labor unions during this time period would be good for both high school and college students. If someone were to watch this film by itself I feel as if it would be confusing and they would have no idea what was going on. Having some background knowledge about labor unions, such as the United Mine Workers of America would be useful when seeing how the different races of coal miners interact in this film. During the time period of this movie labor unions were more inclusive and showing the inclusivity of race in labor groups allows for viewers to understand that the possibility of interracial cooperation with African Americans and immigrants was important. Another thing that this film does a good job of showing us just how bad the higher-ups in the coal industry were and how bad labor union detective agencies were especially the Baldwin-Felts Detective Agency. -Megan Williams

I think this movie works fairly well as a secondary source for the story. Any added characters or side storylines aside, the movie does a pretty good job of keeping to the events of the actual history and even, as far as I can tell, staying pretty close to the timeline of the events, something that a lot of past movies have struggled with. It does a good job of showing the strike and the environments and rules that the miners lived and worked in and the responses of the company to the changing attitude in their mines. I think the movie could be watched by itself to hear the story of the Matewan Massacre, however I think that someone who is out to learn about it would benefit from side research, more about unions and relationships would be beneficial. Having a bit of that background knowledge I think the movie does good sticking to the events and does a good job of showing some of the characters such as the miners, the “scabs” and the Baldwin-Felts agents as well. Overall this would make a great secondary source for someone out to learn about the Matewan Massacre and the labor union development in coal mines in West Virginia. –Kimberly Sak

I think this movie is a very good secondary source, for both the event depicted and the overall labor movement in this time period. The attitudes towards the 'scabs' as well as towards the union itself followed closely what we discussed in class on Tuesday and in the readings for Thursday. Even though the two 'main' characters are fictionalized, several others weren't, such as Sid Hatfield. The struggles of a coal town that is entirely built around the coal mining company are shown, with the main example being the eviction of the miners from their 'company housing'. I'm glad that I went into this movie having the background from the lecture and readings, but even if I was just watching it in theaters I think it still would have been an accurate introduction into the labor movements at the turn of the century. —Madison Roberts

Matewan was overall a very impressive film and one of the more historically accurate films that we have seen. It actually shows the diversity of the miners in the film and the conflicts, language barriers, and efforts at working together to prevent the company from dividing them as companies often sought to do to unionizing workers. In addition, it seems to depict the horrible mining conditions well, and how important it was to the economy in West Virginia and the Appalachian region. It showed the dependence on the mining companies that employment contracts created including having to shop at the company store only, living in company houses, and “rental fees” for the equipment they were using. Additionally, the film accurately portrays the use of the Baldwin-Felts agency and the violent conflicts between the miners and the agents and company in the Matewan strike. This serves as a very effective secondary source to look at the history of unions in the United States and in particular in the mining industry in Appalachia and the Matewan Massacre. -Ashley Dimino

The film Matewan is a film that is enough to be a good introduction to the topics of coal miners and their fight for better treatment in West Virginia in the early 20th century. It is not a film that could be used as a source but could be used to enhance a discussion of such topics as the fight for worker rights and treatment. The film includes characters who were a part of the historical event of which it is based. The sheriff Sid Hatfield and the mayor Cabell Testerman who refused to take a bribe and sided with the town over the coal company. Even the eventual death of the sheriff Sid Hatfield on the steps of the courthouse was accurate. Few clothes Johnson and the joining of the African American strike breakers with the town’s workers in the strike. The intermingling of workers into an interracial union was a miniature version of what was happening with some of the unions as they allowed most workers of different origins to join and fight the oppression of the companies. The presence of the Baldwin Felts detective agency agents throughout the film seem to be drawn from the historical record as they operate with violence and power but back down when they no longer have the upper hand. There violent nature and unlawful presence as a goon squad serves the purpose for which they were historically deployed as the guns of the company to quell the strike by spreading fear. The end massacre at the train station was rather good in terms of accuracy of a gunfight and in terms of the historical record. The fight claims the mayor, Baldwin Felts agents, and workers with a handful dead on the scene and the resulting war between workers and companies being of a greater bloodbath according to the end voice over. A final thought is the cruel grim realty of the mines with the grime, fear, and harsh work. The abusive use of company script that could only be used in the company store for prices controlled by the company. The reality that the company owned the housing, furniture, and amenities and they charged their workers for the use of the poor-quality company owned supplies. The workers and their families were aware of events like cave ins in which the trapped miners slowly died and left their loved ones behind as was clear in the reading of their letters that showed how they accepted the reality and were sorry to depart early. Overall, the film presents many points and ideas that seem to be drawn from the historical record even if it adds its own characters and drama. -Robert Keitz

Besides what we learned about in class on Tuesday, I have no previous background with this history. However, based off that lecture, I would say that Matewan is fairly accurate to the time period. The depiction of how the coal miners were treated, the way the spy for the company creates havoc among the miners, and how the miners were almost forced from their homes is all historically accurate to what was actually going on. If anything, this movie shows how wrong My Darling Clementine was, in that you do not need to rewrite history to make an interesting, and pretty historically accurate, film. –Cat Kinde

I thought Matewan did an excellent job at representing the time period and the creating an overall accurate depiction of the struggle of coal miners in Appalachia. Just like the guy from the UMWA recording said, people noawadys don't realize what life was like before unions, and this movie shows those struggles that working people had to overcome to start unions. There were a lot of small details that the filmmakers included which made for an accurate and interesting movie. For example Kenehan explains why he didn't fight in WW1 because he viewed it as working people on both sides fighting for the interests of wealthy warmongers, and the fact he was jailed for it. Also the race relations between white miners and black and Italian scabs who were resented for taking all the jobs. Later, Kenehan, an IWW member, united everyone under the same cause which was one of the goals of the wobblies. From the readings, I also think the portrayal of the company store was pretty accurate. Workers were paid in script that could only be redeemed at the store which made workers reliant on the bosses for everything, which often meant bosses would cheat miners out of their earnings. - Wilson L

II. Problems with historical accuracy? Errors in fact?

Although Matewan is overall historically accurate, there are a few inaccuracies throughout the movie. The story itself revolves around two completely fictional characters, Joe Kenehan and Danny Radnor. The director, John Sayles, based Joe's character as an ardent pacifist that was sent in by the United Mine Workers of America in order to focus on the question of social justice and whether that can be achieved without violence. This is especially shown by when those that are in power rarely shy away from using violence and the area for the struggle is isolated and there is a concern for the larger society. He is the embodiment of a true union supporter that wanted the union to accept blacks, immigrants, etc. so they can all work together to achieve their objective. Danny narrates the film as an old man meaning that he was a survivor of the Matewan Massacre. Danny looks back at his younger self throughout the entire movie, while that young self watches Joe organizes the miners into a union and oppose the company that owns the coal town. This unique portrayal of his character allows for building a kind of quiet, understated heroism into the film's structure. -Lauren Simpson

Matewan is generally an accurate film, though there are a few errors in fact. I did some research on the people that are in the movie. The main character, Joe Kenehan is not a real person from the massacre. He plays a World War I veteran and a former member of the group, the Industrial Workers of the World. I think it was an interesting choice to have the main character be fictional, though I think the director does this to further the story and fill in any missing information that the real events lacked. There were a few more fictional characters, though this one is the most interesting to me. – Tara Scroggins

Although Matewan is undoubtedly one of the most accurate films made, it is still a film, meaning it is not completely accurate. Like any director to a historical film, Sayles takes some liberties. The biggest being his usage of fictional characters. The film's main focus comes from Joe Kenehan and Danny Radnor, both didn't exist. However, I think in a way this helps the film. Like with the film Glory, the usage of fictional characters does not really hurt the film, because although these specific characters didn't exist, they represent the type of people that did exist in the actual story.

In terms of inaccuracies, something else I noticed that didn't seem right was the emphasis they placed on Kenehan's character. The film made it seem like he was at the center of the conflict, but the conflict did not start or end with him. It also made the incident seem highly localized to Mingo County, but it had ramifications on American unionization in general.

Foner, Eric. “Historian Eric Foner on John Sayles’ MATEWAN .” Accessed October 28, 2020. http://films42.com/feature/november_feature.asp. – Jordan Petty

Like others have mentioned earlier this movie has two fictional characters “to propel the plot.” These characters as Jordan indices were Danny Radnor and Joe Kenehan. In Jordan’s post, he says that these two characters help the film, however, in my opinion, I feel as if this movie could have been written without them. The reason I feel this way is because putting emphasis on them takes away from the real people involved in the strike and the Matewan Massacre. -Megan Williams

The film does not deviate from the historical record that much in its runtime. The union man Joe Kenehan seemed a bit too perfect and presented the unions as this perfect distant ideal. I think the film takes the side of the workers while only presenting the company as an unseen force which presents its hired goons to do its command and spread fear in its name. The film also does not include Mary “Mother” Jones despite her importance in the West Virginia labor organization in the time in which the massacre occurred. Tension is presented throughout the film but seems to dilute some of the tensions which would have been between the workers as their lives seem to be so much better at the makeshift camp. The ideals of the working class are too noble and perfect in the film as Joe and his words are a bit too perfect. -Robert Keitz

III. How does the film’s overall interpretation(s) deviate from scholarly historical sources?

This movie incorporates a lot of accurate portrayals of the events that occurred in Matewan, West Virginia. As referenced in the movie, Matewan is the land of the famous Hatfields and McCoys and the people there had a reputation for violence. The movie accurately portrayed the monomers and their families' hatred for outsiders of any kind at the beginning but also covered how they began to work together for a common goal through the union. The Matewan Massacre was very accurately portrayed at the end of the movie, as the Mayor and Joe Kenehan were real people who actually died in the movie. The movie ends with Danny Radnor describing the events following the Matewan Massacre as he is walking out of the mines. Sheriff Hatfield was eventually gunned down on the steps of the courthouse as Danny describes, and the fight for the creation and support of the Union continued long after the massacre. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/forgotten-matewan-massacre-was-epicenter-20th-century-mine-wars-180963026/ -Morgan Gilbert

IV. How does this movie work as a primary source about the time period in which it was made or the filmmakers?

Matewan was released in 1987, six years after the PATCO strike in 1981 (source: https://www.npr.org/2006/08/03/5604656/1981-strike-leaves-legacy-for-american-workers). On August 3, 1981, the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (PATCO) union, which had supported Ronald Reagan in the presidential election, rejected the government's pay raise offer. They sent 16,000 members out on strike to shut down commercial airlines. They also demanded a reduction in the workweek, from 40 to 32 hours, 40% pay raises, early retirement, and a $10,000 bonus. Due to federal law, such strikes were illegal. The strikers were given 48 hours to return to work, or else they would be fired and banned from ever again working in a federal capacity. One fourth of the strikers came back to work, but the rest did not and were fired.The strike collapsed. PATCO vanished in the aftermath, and the union movement as a whole suffered. It was a step backwards that accelerated the decline of membership across the board in the private sector. Afterwards, unions as a whole suffered a continual decline of power during the Reagan administration.Reagan himself had been a supporter of unions, but this event made him unpopular in their circles. It is possible that this event, which was a major loss to the Labor Movement, prompted a revival of its significance in the form of this film. – Lyndsey Clark

This film can definitely be considered a primary source to John Sayles the director. A website/blog post I read about this film talked about how Sayles made a book about this film entitled Thinking in Pictures: The Making of the Movie Matewan which came out in 1987. Supposedly in the book Sayles talked about how in the late 1960s he hitchhiked through this region which led him to become interested in West Virginia’s coal-mining district, its people, and their traditions. From this experience, Sayles was exposed to the miner's world and the different music, regional accents, and numerous local characters incorporated into this film. http://www.films42.com/feature/november_feature.asp -Megan Williams

This film serves as a great primary source for the time period in which the film was made as labor unions were a very relevant topic for the 1980s as the Air Traffic Controllers Strike occurred in 1981 and it was a very impactful event. President Ronald Reagan sided with the airports and gave the air traffic controller 48 hours to return to work or lose their jobs, so the government sided with the business and not the people. The Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization or PATCO was eventually discredited the same year and this had major implications on the power of labor unions in the United States. The power of labor unions diminishes over time and the government’s decision to support the airport and not the workers is evidence of that. Therefore, this movie was one of John Sayles’s more radical films in that it was made to try to draw attention to the bloody beginning of the labor union fight. https://millercenter.org/reagan-vs-air-traffic-controllers -Morgan Gilbert

I think this movie is a call to action against the government. Ronald Reagan became president in 1980, and his administration was severely anti-union. This movie was an attempt to show the way the government was trying to once again stop people from unionizing, and how big business was taking over. Source:https://www.history.com/topics/19th-century/labor –Cat Kinde

V. The "So, what?" question

Matewan is an interesting movie. It is arguably one of the most historically accurate of the films we have seen so far. However, it does revolve around two completely fictional characters, Joe Kenehan and Danny Radnor. This is somewhat disconcerting because they both represent well a certain view in labor history. Joe is a pacifist who wants the union to accept everyone, including blacks and immigrants, so that they can work together to achieve their objectives. Danny can be related to the individuals who shared their first hand experiences of this massacre, mainly because the film is told from his perspective. The fact that the film revolves around fictional characters is more than a little disappointing. Sayles did a good job at trying to be as accurate to the coal miner's plight as possible, yet used fictional characters intermingled with historical ones to do so. The film could have just as easily been told from the perspective of an actual historical figure. – Lyndsey Clark

The film absolutely deserves commendation and praise for being wonderfully accurate to its sources, and deserves praise for its realism and dedication. However, I definitely think something needs to be said for the way this film was shot, and how it drags on for so unnecessarily long in certain places. The film, despite beingmade in 1989 feels like it is 20 years older, which is forgivable given the budget of the film, but far more entertaining films have been shot with a smaller budget. While the use of natural lighting is good in most scenes, this film in almost every scene is so dark, the sound design is not great and you definitely need subtitles to understand what is going on. To be perfectly honest, for once I with the directed had taken liberties or at least left scenes out for entertainment's sake, this is probably one of the most boring films we have seen so far, (besides Gone with the Wind, which is only more boring because of its abysmal runtime.) I do wish the director had shot scenes to be less bland, maybe shot scenes to be less dark, the film gets interesting and exciting for a few minutes but scenes that should be suspenseful, like when Few Clothes is going to kill Kehenan, end up feeling flat and boring and if you don't have subtitles on or pay very close attention, you have no idea what is supposed to be happening. This film is perfect for history students, would not recommend for a casual movie watcher, or anyone who doesn't already know the history behind it. One final point, the film ends when things begin, not when things end, the Matewan Massacre was the *beginning* of the Coalfield War, and led to the far bigger and more important Battle of Blair Mountain, which, along with Sid Hatfield's assassination, would have been a far more entertaining watch. The film just does not do enough to make you care about the characters, and does not even show how the Mayor or Kehenan gets shot. However this is all my opinion. Ultimately, the film is the example of historical accuracy affecting viewer interest in the film.–AJ DeGeorge

Matewan is one of the best movies we have watched so far. It's importance lies in its attention to historical accuracy. It does what a true historical film does, bringing attention to an unfamiliar story and portraying it as accurately as possible. Although it has fictional characters, I don't think this really hurts the film in any way. Compared to other films, it does an exceptional job in being both accurate and entertaining, despite what others may say. This is a bit funny, because it contradicts what Mel Gibson said when making The Patriot. Films that focus primarily on historical accuracy aren't always snooze fests. – Jordan Petty

I think that this film is an important addition to the list of films we have watched this semester. The struggle of coal miners and building labor unions, specifically this story, is not something well known. I personally did not know this story or this movie until this class. I think even with some historical inaccuracies like extra or inaccurate characters, the movie still does a good job staying fairly true to the story and giving the viewers what they want without adding or subtracting the things that are usually altered for the sake of ratings. I think this movie does a good job of being entertaining without sacrificing facts and gives the characters personality's that make it hard to not be invested in them. Overall I think this film is well made and creates a good frame of reference for the story of the Matewan Massacre. –Kimberly Sak

This film stands out as Matewan actually tells the story of these miners and unions without overly-dramatizing or fictionalizing the story. There is a small amount of romance in the film that at least serves a purpose to move the narrative along and to demonstrate the damage that spies within a unionizing group could cause. This film is also important because it humanizes the unioning workers, something that often is not shown to people, particularly in America with “right to work states” and a view of unionizing as a socialist or communist construct to be feared. This film reminds Americans why these unions formed and the horrible working conditions and mistreatments they were fighting against and it's no coincidence that it came out in another period where people were protesting against unions in the 1980s after President Reagan's treatment of the Air Traffic Controllers. It makes an active effort to show the diverse cultures and conflicts in mining towns and to cover the radicalism, violence, and complexities of the early formation of labor unions. Ultimately it is a well-made film and I hope to use it or at least excerpts of it in my classroom to address the Matewan Massacre, the coal industry, and unions in the United States, and it contributes to the overall credibility of historical films. - Ashley Dimino

This film is important because it shows a historical moment in U.S. history, and it is actually fairly accurate. It shows why unions are something to be a part of and work hard for, despite the stigma large companies have conveyed that they only cause more problems. However, I do wonder how many people this film actually reached. As we discussed in class, the director of this film was an indie filmmaker before that was even a thing, and this movie definitely seems like something not a lot of people would watch. In my research, I wasn't able to find out, but I do wonder how popular Matewan was when it was released, or if it is only through hindsight we can see the connections between this movie and the 1980s Reagan administration treatment of unions. –Cat Kinde

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