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-Christine Frederick presents an interesting case of applying Taylor-like principles of scientific management to household work. She argued that employing scientific methods, understood as task efficiency and regularity, could help middle-class women manage the burdens of domestic labor. In my opinion,one of the most interesting parts of her recommendations was an instruction on how to keep children on the right schedule. - Nikolai Kotkov+**Christine Frederick presents an interesting case of applying Taylor-like principles of scientific management to household work.** She argued that employing scientific methods, understood as task efficiency and regularity, could help middle-class women manage the burdens of domestic labor. In my opinion,one of the most interesting parts of her recommendations was an instruction on how to keep children on the right schedule. - Nikolai Kotkov
  
-I found this reading off-putting from a gender studies perspective, since Frederick’s insistence that housewives are offered free advice and that home drudgery is only because the women who complain of it “refuse to accept the efficient methods and improved equipment offered” to them reads similarly to victim-blaming to me. The idea of running homes like a factory feels very capitalistic, and it reminds me of the idea that children are being raised to become machines in the system of capitalism rather than their own person. - Noah Rutkowski+I found this reading off-putting from a gender studies perspective, since Frederick’s insistence that housewives are offered free advice and that **home drudgery is only because the women who complain of it “refuse to accept the efficient methods and improved equipment offered”** to them reads similarly to victim-blaming to me. The idea of running homes like a factory feels very capitalistic, and **it reminds me of the idea that children are being raised to become machines in the system of capitalism rather than their own person**. - Noah Rutkowski
  
 Again the emphasis on efficiency takes over new arenas. It is one thing to understand efficiency in the factory, but now being applied to the household, how does a women make the house run effectively. Never really thought of domestic labor like that, even as far as the point of making the kids behave and behave quickly. --James Clayberg Again the emphasis on efficiency takes over new arenas. It is one thing to understand efficiency in the factory, but now being applied to the household, how does a women make the house run effectively. Never really thought of domestic labor like that, even as far as the point of making the kids behave and behave quickly. --James Clayberg
  
-The idea of using scientific, rigid schedules to children and household chores is laughable given just... the very nature of children and the household. It's chaotic by nature. The vibe of this reading is also strange, and seems very heartless. Just because it would be more "effective" for everyone to be mechanical about their work doesn't mean it's good. -- Oliver M. +The idea of using scientific, rigid schedules to children and household chores is laughable given just... the very nature of children and the household. It's chaotic by nature. **The vibe of this reading is also strange, and seems very heartless. Just because it would be more "effective" for everyone to be mechanical about their work doesn't mean it's good.** -- Oliver M. 
  
 Frederick is making an argument that asserts that middle class women are struggling to keep up with efficient housekeeping. She explains and gives examples of services that can help women become more efficient in the housekeeping chores. It’s interesting to see how this push for efficiency that we’ve talked about when applied to factories also starts applying to the home. - Grayson Donohoe Frederick is making an argument that asserts that middle class women are struggling to keep up with efficient housekeeping. She explains and gives examples of services that can help women become more efficient in the housekeeping chores. It’s interesting to see how this push for efficiency that we’ve talked about when applied to factories also starts applying to the home. - Grayson Donohoe
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 I never thought of the principles as being something that would be used as an at home standard. I thought it was pretty interesting, though it makes sense because without some sense of order it can easily become chaos, that they would use the principles to make household tasks more efficient through something such as planning/scheduling. - Izzy Ellenberger I never thought of the principles as being something that would be used as an at home standard. I thought it was pretty interesting, though it makes sense because without some sense of order it can easily become chaos, that they would use the principles to make household tasks more efficient through something such as planning/scheduling. - Izzy Ellenberger
  
-It seems that Taylorism was seen to be applying itself in a form to help with housekeeping, and that's what Frederick is pointing out here.  Efficiency however could be shown to be helpful in any form of work. - David Y.+**It seems that Taylorism was seen to be applying itself in a form to help with housekeeping, and that's what Frederick is pointing out here.**  Efficiency however could be shown to be helpful in any form of work. - David Y.
  
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-This petition is particularly interesting because it partly echoes the potential problems predicted by J. O’Connell and, at the same time, engages with the broader discourse on the vulnerability of the worker’s body from the previous seminar’s texts. One of its arguments is that Taylor’s system exhausts people by unnecessarily speeding up the process, resembling “the slave driver.” - Nikolai Kotkov +**This petition is particularly interesting because it partly echoes the potential problems predicted by J. O’Connell and, at the same time, engages with the broader discourse on the vulnerability of the worker’s body from the previous seminar’s texts.** One of its arguments is that Taylor’s system exhausts people by unnecessarily speeding up the process, resembling “the slave driver.” - Nikolai Kotkov 
  
 Taylorism set strict times on workers using a stop watch to time and make sure that the workers were completing task on time set by management. This was deeply disliked because it was degrading and thought it as being undermined and losing their skills. Workers went on strike to get rid of this as no one seem to like this system. - Will C  Taylorism set strict times on workers using a stop watch to time and make sure that the workers were completing task on time set by management. This was deeply disliked because it was degrading and thought it as being undermined and losing their skills. Workers went on strike to get rid of this as no one seem to like this system. - Will C 
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 This document shows an example of what O’Connell was discussing in the previous meeting. Being put on a stop watch in order to make workers work faster and more “efficiently” is pushing them beyond what they are capable of and, as they’re saying, is not a sustainable and safe practice. - Grayson Donohoe This document shows an example of what O’Connell was discussing in the previous meeting. Being put on a stop watch in order to make workers work faster and more “efficiently” is pushing them beyond what they are capable of and, as they’re saying, is not a sustainable and safe practice. - Grayson Donohoe
  
-What this goal of efficiency doesn't fully plan for or planed for in this time period is the over working or exhaustion from the workforce. When people not doing the tasks (management) are now in timely control of the people doing the tasks (work force) and that work force now finds the timely management unreasonable, it is inevitable strikes were coming. --James Clayberg+**What this goal of efficiency doesn't fully plan for or planed for in this time period is the over working or exhaustion from the workforce.** When people not doing the tasks (management) are now in timely control of the people doing the tasks (work force) and that work force now finds the timely management unreasonable, it is inevitable strikes were coming. --James Clayberg
  
-The document covers the workers striking because of the harsh and unfair working conditions. The workers expressed that there were more accidents because of Taylor’s principles and being so rushed for time to meet their daily quota. They expressed that they system caused distrust within a worker to management relationship by being put in an unfair and unsafe work environment. - Izzy Ellenberger+The document covers the workers striking because of the harsh and unfair working conditions. The workers expressed that there were more accidents because of Taylor’s principles and being so rushed for time to meet their daily quota.** They expressed that they system caused distrust within a worker to management relationship by being put in an unfair and unsafe work environment.** - Izzy Ellenberger
  
 When push came to shove, action needed to be taken, and that's what the workers were doing here in their strike.  Their complaint about the unsafe conditions due to working trying to meet the goal in a specific time was the bases behind their strike. - David Y. When push came to shove, action needed to be taken, and that's what the workers were doing here in their strike.  Their complaint about the unsafe conditions due to working trying to meet the goal in a specific time was the bases behind their strike. - David Y.
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 This story was very entertaining to read, but also sad. The manager didn't see the value in the Native's experience and used them as a form of entertainment for customers. Sam Gray saw them as fitting an image of what the company should be and even had a picture of a Native American on the catalog, but brought in Brown to be the efficiency man, challenging their knowledge. - Hannah Holstrom  This story was very entertaining to read, but also sad. The manager didn't see the value in the Native's experience and used them as a form of entertainment for customers. Sam Gray saw them as fitting an image of what the company should be and even had a picture of a Native American on the catalog, but brought in Brown to be the efficiency man, challenging their knowledge. - Hannah Holstrom 
  
-Here it shows the negative results on trying to focus on efficiency without fully understanding the nature of the craft. - Izzy Ellenberger+**Here it shows the negative results on trying to focus on efficiency without fully understanding the nature of the craft.** - Izzy Ellenberger
  
 This story was interesting because it showed how Taylorism and efficiency at trying to create large volume of items in a shorter time could not work with everything.  Despite the fact that the canoes were drying faster, true craft would have had them more effective and safe.  The fact that more than half of their orders were returned were proof of this. - David Y.  This story was interesting because it showed how Taylorism and efficiency at trying to create large volume of items in a shorter time could not work with everything.  Despite the fact that the canoes were drying faster, true craft would have had them more effective and safe.  The fact that more than half of their orders were returned were proof of this. - David Y. 
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