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| + | ===== Readings from Pursell (place comment under respective subheadings) ===== | ||
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| + | ==== Judith McGaw, "So Much Depends..." | ||
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| + | I find it to be an interesting look at the gender roles of the time period to establish certain technologies as unequivocally male or female, or so pertinent that there was no reason to list it as something owned by someone. I wonder what technologies today are so taken for granted that they would not show up on a document of that kind. - CJ Nemetz | ||
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| + | I think that McGaw’s analysis provides sufficient data to disprove the mythical status of colonial settlers and frontiersmen as entirely self-sufficient, | ||
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| + | McGaw emphasizes how everyday objects and technologies, | ||
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| + | I found McGaw’s attention to the predominant nationalities of the different colonies, such as how York had a high German population, to be particularly fascinating, | ||
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| + | I like how McGaw studied the Mid-Atlantic region, focusing on specific counties while making her observations. She really got to know the culture of each area she studied, explaining the economic and cultural differences between the counties. McGaw notes that there is no such thing as a representative colonial farm community or region, each is different from the next. The population of each respective county greatly effected which tools were in use, and how widespread the tool was amongst the population. I found it so interesting that frontier residents were only slightly more likely to own a gun than residents of longer settled regions. There are many societal misconceptions that McGaw noted were false indicators of what life was like for the average person. I find it so cool that she decided to look into the lives of average people to find out about common tools, rather than what inventions the public deemed as popular. | ||
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| + | McGaw’s perspective on analyzing the history of technology in the Mid-Atlantic is something I found quite interesting. When I think of the history of technology I typically just think of the chronology of new inventions and their impacts on American society. McGaw makes a critical point that while things like the gun did exist in early American history and were used doesn’t mean that what we assume about them (that everyone owned guns) is accurate. One of the things I love about history is when you uncover something that changes your perspective on the past and you realize that the common assumption or idea about a particular time or place is not always accurate, so her relating this to technology made me much more interested to keep reading. - Grayson Donohoe | ||
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| + | One of the points that McGaw brings up is that the definition and opinions on different technologies differ based on each individual’s point of view. Just as they brought up with the “Peanuts” reference about a kid never seeing a plow and Sally never even seeing a farmer. Something I didn’t think about before this is that it also relied on gender as well as women primarily worked with technologies such as the spinning wheel, churning, candle making etc. Social context is important when it comes to the relaying of technological history. - Izzy Ellenberger | ||
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| + | I find McGaw' | ||
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| + | It is so easy to look at technological history and look at when key inventions were and just picture the world as black and white for before and after that invention. Well McGaw really made me think deeper about how technology is used by the average person on a daily basis. The inventions that get all of the spotlight in history classes aren't always readily available or used to the everyday person. Guns seem like such an easy thing to assume everyone has during that time period, but in reality only half of Americans had even just one in their household, really put it in perspective for me. -James Clayberg | ||
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| + | ==== American Colonial Wealth ==== | ||
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| + | American colonial wealth was so intrinsically tied to agricultural specialties that families may own vastly different pieces of technology yet still be grouped into “middle income” classes due to the nature of technological access and the pre-industrial economy. - CJ Nemetz | ||
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| + | These documents display a great variety of objects from colonial America. In particular, it is interesting to see how certain items received specific descriptions. For example, Henry Nelich’s inventory listed “a cow with a spot before her face” and “a mare with a cold.” - Nikolai Kotkov | ||
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| + | As an English major, I couldn’t help but pay attention to the linguistic differences from modern English in the documents, since there were many words and spellings that I didn’t recognize. I was especially curious about what exactly some of the different properties listed were, such as the “poot reack” and “flax brack” listed in William McHenay’s inventory. -Noah Rutkowski | ||
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| + | It was interesting to see the similarities and differences between to two farmers and widow because you may assume the widow wouldn’t have the same kind of technology that the other men did, and there were things she didn’t, but she had an axe on her list which maybe we wouldn’t have assumed a woman would have. - Grayson Donohoe | ||
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| + | Reading this was very interesting because we get to see the materials, and items that they held at what value it was as well. It is also interesting to see how their words were spelt such as, in reference to what we know of today as a “spinning wheel” they spelled it “wheal” and in reference to a “barrel” they said “barrel”. It makes me start to think of that’s probably where the stemming of what we recognize today of being a really strong southern accent - Izzy Ellenberger | ||
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| + | Recognizing that people were not capable of being self-sufficient even if it seems like they were the biggest thing to me. People had any variety of a collection of tools, while not having everything, and in many cases, it would be feasible that people would need to borrow from others and exchange their tools. -James Clayberg | ||
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| + | I like looking through and trying to find the major differences between the women' | ||
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| + | Most American colonial wealth comes from land ownership and from a country' | ||
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| + | ===== Readings from Smith and Clancey (place comment under respective subheadings) ===== | ||
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| + | ==== Debate over Manufacturing in the Early Republic (Jefferson, Coxe, Hamilton, Cooper)==== | ||
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| + | Hamilton rules, Jefferson drools -- Dr. M | ||
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| + | It makes sense that slave owners wouldn' | ||
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| + | **It is interesting to contextualize these debates within a larger intellectual tradition, since the origins of Jefferson’s early negative attitude toward manufacturing can be traced, on the one hand, to the discourse of classical republicanism (Cicero, Cato, the 18th-century physiocrats) and, on the other hand, to the “four stages theory” of the Scottish Enlightenment. A similar statement can be made about Hamilton and Coxe, though in their case they were more likely influenced by Hume through Franklin, given their support for manufacturing and luxury goods. - Nikolai Kotkov** | ||
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| + | Jefferson’s letters are a fascinating look at his gradual acknowledgment of the progress of manufacturing in America, as well as it is fascinating to see the development affect Jefferson’s life and the way he corresponds with colleagues. - CJ Nemetz | ||
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| + | **Jefferson had the overall worry that manufacturing would corrupt the American citizens, while Coxe saw that it was the key to their independence and would give them a great push in toward the economy in the early republic. With Coxe recognizing that it would strengthen their economic self sufficiency as well as help out the American people by opening up more employment, and Hamilton being pro manufacturing, | ||
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| + | I think Coxe makes a very good point in his speaking. We wouldn' | ||
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| + | I do think that Jefferson' | ||
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| + | I think these documents, like McGaw’s, bring in another aspect of the history of technology which goes beyond what a certain piece of technology does for society but also as a society how are we going to respond to developments in technology, such as machinery in manufacturing. - Grayson Donohoe | ||
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| + | I really enjoyed seeing the transition of Jefferson' | ||
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| + | The debate about manufacturing was a huge topic in America after the Revolutionary War as many people argued to be more industrial or more agricultural, | ||
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| + | I quite enjoyed Coxe's writing, **his faith in the idea that new technology could help the colonies flourish, in the "new land" where goods and recourses were plentiful, could help them easily surpass their counterparts.** The meticulous nature of his writings, this pitch that they could be a "full danger to the manufacturing nations of Europe" | ||
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| ==== Leo Marx, The Machine ==== | ==== Leo Marx, The Machine ==== | ||
| Marx sees the future and how manufacturing can benefit America in the long run, and obviously he was right to go against Jefferson on this idea. The debate between manufacturing and agriculture during this time really seemed to come almost entirely between North and South. Of course a Philadelphian man would be interested in manufacturing, | Marx sees the future and how manufacturing can benefit America in the long run, and obviously he was right to go against Jefferson on this idea. The debate between manufacturing and agriculture during this time really seemed to come almost entirely between North and South. Of course a Philadelphian man would be interested in manufacturing, | ||
| - | I agree with L. Marx’s analysis of Jefferson’s and Coxe’s views on technology and manufacturing. I think that Marx presents a substantial argument by explaining Jefferson’s attitude through “economic realities, | + | I agree with L. **Marx’s analysis of Jefferson’s and Coxe’s views on technology and manufacturing. I think that Marx presents a substantial argument by explaining Jefferson’s attitude through “economic realities, |
| Marx is very keen to analyze Coxe’s motives, which can be understandable given Coxe’s unique way of blending nationalism and hardline rural ideology into one. - CJ Nemetz | Marx is very keen to analyze Coxe’s motives, which can be understandable given Coxe’s unique way of blending nationalism and hardline rural ideology into one. - CJ Nemetz | ||
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| Marx makes an interesting comparison at the end of the articles between Coxe and Hamilton and from my interpretation asserts that they both agree that technology will lead to tremendous economic benefits for the United States but there are different ways of approaching that and marketing it to the American people that will better set that system up for the future. It’s interesting to see technology not only having an impact culturally but possibly socially and politically, | Marx makes an interesting comparison at the end of the articles between Coxe and Hamilton and from my interpretation asserts that they both agree that technology will lead to tremendous economic benefits for the United States but there are different ways of approaching that and marketing it to the American people that will better set that system up for the future. It’s interesting to see technology not only having an impact culturally but possibly socially and politically, | ||
| - | Marx seems to play into Coxe's clear excitement over the economic prospect of American industry (or future industry) obtaining " | + | I think Grayson' |
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| + | Marx seems to play into Coxe's clear excitement over the economic prospect of American industry (or future industry) obtaining " | ||
| Overall, Marx's analysis of Jefferson and Coxe was fair and full of perspective. Jefferson wasn't " | Overall, Marx's analysis of Jefferson and Coxe was fair and full of perspective. Jefferson wasn't " | ||
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| + | Coxe and Hamilton were very different on why they believed manufacturing to be beneficial. Coxe needs to speak to the everyday people, the people who still have benefits to agriculture. He speaks as if America will do it right and that his main point. Whereas Hamilton just thinks at some point to be successful economically manufacturing has to happen at some degree, and the methods used do not really matter that much. -James Clayberg | ||
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| + | Industrialization had nearly began in America which meant that most didn't understand the need in interior American Production. Coxe advocated the incredible productive power of machines and factories. He believed it would be the instrument to America' | ||
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