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 ====== 4 Movie as a Primary Source about the time in which it was made ======
-This movie shows progression towards a more tolerant America, as some of the actors in the movie would have been old enough to participate in the Civil Rights movement.  Both Morgan Freeman and Denzel Washington are old enough to have joined in the Civil Rights movement or at least have memories of it.  What a change 20 years can make. -Christian Trout
+**This movie shows progression towards a more tolerant America, as some of the actors in the movie would have been old enough to participate in the Civil Rights movement.  Both Morgan Freeman and Denzel Washington are old enough to have joined in the Civil Rights movement or at least have memories of it.  What a change 20 years can make.** -Christian Trout
-I agree that this film shows how the United States had become more tolerant. Having this film accurately portray the will and heart of the African-Americans who fought, while acknowledging that they faced racism from Union soldiers, is a great way to honor and commemorate the actual 54th regiment and what they did in advancing the rights of other African-Americans to fight. --- //[[nfanning@umw.edu|Fanning Neal R.]] 2016/10/12 19:59//
+I agree that this film shows how the United States had become more tolerant. **Having this film accurately portray the will and heart of the African-Americans who fought, while acknowledging that they faced racism from Union soldiers, is a great way to honor and commemorate the actual 54th regiment and what they did in advancing the rights of other African-Americans to fight.** --- //[[nfanning@umw.edu|Fanning Neal R.]] 2016/10/12 19:59//
-I believe this movie is a primary source of its time because it showed PTSD caused by war. This was a common showing in movies after Vietnam, as it became more public to the United States that PTSD was a serious issue among soldiers. It also is a primary source for its time because of the amount of diversity. It was becoming more common for movies to involve more people of color, and this movie perfectly showcases that with the majority of its cast being black. --- //[[mlindse2@umw.edu|Lindsey, Megan E.]] 2016/10/12 20:30//
+I believe this movie is a **primary source of its time because it showed PTSD caused by war. This was a common showing in movies after Vietnam, as it became more public to the United States that PTSD was a serious issue among soldiers.** It also is a primary source for its time because of the amount of diversity. It was becoming more common for movies to involve more people of color, and this movie perfectly showcases that with the majority of its cast being black. --- //[[mlindse2@umw.edu|Lindsey, Megan E.]] 2016/10/12 20:30//
 The movie showcases the diversity of African Americans throughout the nation rather effectively, going from second generation freemen to former slaves with thick accents remaining in their dialogue. Better yet, the movie showed these types of people interacting with each other, not just with white men, and it showed them struggling to understand one another. This sort of interaction lets us see the evolution of movies from having token black characters to having authentic characters who are black. This isn't entirely the standard now, but the success of such movies does give some hope that times were changing.  --- //[[lmccuist@umw.edu|Lindsey McCuistion]] 2016/10/12 21:00//
-Even though it was made in 1989, Glory was pretty progressive film and reflected changing racial attitudes in the United States. I grew up watching Glory every now and then, and the impression that I got from my family was that the film actually changed the landscape for African American actors in Hollywood. It also portrayed the African American characters in the film as complex human beings and as people who played an important part in changing history, instead of letting white characters take the lead. This helped to address decades of misrepresentation and/or underrepresentation in American film and to pave the way for future American history films focusing on African Americans.
+Even though it was made in 1989, Glory was pretty progressive film and reflected changing racial attitudes in the United States. **I grew up watching Glory every now and then, and the impression that I got from my family was that the film actually changed the landscape for African American actors in Hollywood. It also portrayed the African American characters in the film as complex human beings and as people who played an important part in changing history, instead of letting white characters take the lead. This helped to address decades of misrepresentation and/or underrepresentation in American film and to pave the way for future American history films focusing on African Americans.**
  --- //[[dhawkins@umw.edu|Hawkins Daniel C.]] 2016/10/13 03:58//
  --- //[[dhawkins@umw.edu|Hawkins Daniel C.]] 2016/10/13 03:58//
 ====== 5 Comparing the reading to the movie ======
-While watching the film, I didn’t think much of the burning of the town of Darien. I had assumed that that was probably a made-up or composite town and mission. But, this act and the controversy surrounding it is written about by James Henry Gooding, a member of the 54th, in On the Altar of Freedom. The people were upset not only because their small town was burned down but because of the fact that it was done by black soldiers.  --- //[[cmorg96@gmail.com|Callie Morgan]] 2016/10/12 15:34//
+**While watching the film, I didn’t think much of the burning of the town of Darien. I had assumed that that was probably a made-up or composite town and mission. But, this act and the controversy surrounding it is written about by James Henry Gooding, a member of the 54th, in On the Altar of Freedom. The people were upset not only because their small town was burned down but because of the fact that it was done by black soldiers.**  --- //[[cmorg96@gmail.com|Callie Morgan]] 2016/10/12 15:34//
-In the film, the 54th Massachusetts is shown protesting their wages. In the letter by James Henry Gooding, his 54th Massachusetts (which came later), also protested their wages, with Gooding writing to Abraham Lincoln directly. During the war, wages were 13 dollars for whites, and 10 dollars for blacks. In the pretext, it is written that Congress didn’t equalize pay until the tail end of the war. --- //[[jgaddie@umw.edu|Gaddie, Jason]] 2016/10/12 17:42//
+In the film, the 54th Massachusetts is shown protesting their wages. **In the letter by James Henry Gooding, his 54th Massachusetts (which came later), also protested their wages, with Gooding writing to Abraham Lincoln directly. During the war, wages were 13 dollars for whites, and 10 dollars for blacks. In the pretext, it is written that Congress didn’t equalize pay until the tail end of the war.** --- //[[jgaddie@umw.edu|Gaddie, Jason]] 2016/10/12 17:42//
 Certain aspects of the James Henry Gooding reading were shown in the film, such as his behavior towards the African Americans.  “It really makes ones heart swell with pride as he looks upon the stout and brawny men, fully equipped with Uncle Sam’s accouterments upon them, practically refuting the base assertions reiterated by copperheads and traitors that the black race are incapable of patriotism, valor or ambition.” Christian Trout
-I had read Susie King Taylor's memoir prior to watching the movie, so I was keeping an eye out for the women like her who might have been in the Union camps and contributing to the wellbeing of the soldiers, but we barely saw a woman throughout the entire movie. Her accounts also mentioned disease quite frequently, but disease is hardly an issue in the movie, as well. Still, her positive attitude toward the camp in which she worked and the officers who led her regiment does show in the movie. The 54th regiment greatly admires Shaw throughout the movie and develops a kinship with those in their camp.  --- //[[lmccuist@umw.edu|Lindsey McCuistion]] 2016/10/12 21:01//
+**I had read Susie King Taylor's memoir prior to watching the movie, so I was keeping an eye out for the women like her who might have been in the Union camps and contributing to the wellbeing of the soldiers, but we barely saw a woman throughout the entire movie. Her accounts also mentioned disease quite frequently, but disease is hardly an issue in the movie, as well. Still, her positive attitude toward the camp in which she worked and the officers who led her regiment does show in the movie. The 54th regiment greatly admires Shaw throughout the movie and develops a kinship with those in their camp.**  --- //[[lmccuist@umw.edu|Lindsey McCuistion]] 2016/10/12 21:01//
 ====== 6 The "So, what?" question ======
-So why make a movie? Well I think it is important in terms of the idea of how the Civil War is taught. To be completely honest, until high school, I was under the impression that the Civil War was mainly white men fighting other white men for the emancipation of slaves. It never actually occurred to me that other people other than white people fought in this war. That came out super racists and I apologize but that is the truth. In many high schools, we are given the white man’s history. The history of victory, not defeat and this part of history clearly shows not only how we interpret history but also how we portray it. Therefore, this movie is needed for people like me, who honestly fall into the trap of a white man’s victorious history.  --- //[[mmcmaken@mail.umw.edu|Mary-Margaret McMaken]] 2016/10/11 18:16//
+So why make a movie? Well I think it is important in terms of the idea of how the Civil War is taught. **To be completely honest, until high school, I was under the impression that the Civil War was mainly white men fighting other white men for the emancipation of slaves. It never actually occurred to me that other people other than white people fought in this war.** That came out super racists and I apologize but that is the truth. **In many high schools, we are given the white man’s history. The history of victory, not defeat and this part of history clearly shows not only how we interpret history but also how we portray it. Therefore, this movie is needed for people like me, who honestly fall into the trap of a white man’s victorious history.**  --- //[[mmcmaken@mail.umw.edu|Mary-Margaret McMaken]] 2016/10/11 18:16//
 Maggie, you are right and shouldn't apologize because that unfortunately is the truth! I experienced the same view of the Civil War through previous education and think that all too frequent lack of accurate education in primary and secondary school gives the film industry a more crucial responsibility to choose accuracy over entertainment value. This theme of responsibility of the films keeps popping up in class discussion, and there must be a reason why!  --- //[[afanghel@umw.edu|Fanghella, Amy E.]] 2016/10/12 12:06//
-We don't get the view of the minority, Its good to get a different view than what is normally taught. Its also good to have a different perceptive of race and how it affected the blacks view of race, especially of the union (South slave owners sending in their slaves for them).The film proves to be a truly uplifting experience and an important history lesson, a valuable reminder that despite what the history books say (or, more precisely, what they do not say), blacks played a critically important role in the North's victory over the South--forever changing the evolution of America. --- //[[nsciadin@umw.edu|Natalie Sciadini]] 2016/10/12 4:44//
+We don't get the view of the minority, Its good to get a different view than what is normally taught. **Its also good to have a different perceptive of race and how it affected the blacks view of race, especially of the union (South slave owners sending in their slaves for them).**The film proves to be a truly uplifting experience and an important history lesson, a valuable reminder that despite what the history books say (or, more precisely, what they do not say), blacks played a critically important role in the North's victory over the South--forever changing the evolution of America. --- //[[nsciadin@umw.edu|Natalie Sciadini]] 2016/10/12 4:44//
-I believe that this is a very important movie about African-American struggle during the Civil War. As the three people above me have mentioned, the usual suspicion of Virginian-schooled kids is that the war was white vs white and the slaves just sat there waiting to be liberated. But they did so much more than that and this movie shows that. Even though that slaves sat and waited might be the usual assumption by people like me, I also would have said something like "yeah, ok that makes sense" if someone told me runaway slaves joined the Union army. But for the time, that idea would have been crazy to many northerners, and this film also shows that which makes it even more important.  --- //[[nfanning@umw.edu|Fanning Neal R.]] 2016/10/12 20:02//
+I believe that this is a very important movie about African-American struggle during the Civil War. **As the three people above me have mentioned, the usual suspicion of Virginian-schooled kids is that the war was white vs white and the slaves just sat there waiting to be liberated.** But they did so much more than that and this movie shows that. Even though that slaves sat and waited might be the usual assumption by people like me, I also would have said something like "yeah, ok that makes sense" if someone told me runaway slaves joined the Union army. But for the time, that idea would have been crazy to many northerners, and this film also shows that which makes it even more important.  --- //[[nfanning@umw.edu|Fanning Neal R.]] 2016/10/12 20:02//
-I think this movie was significant in several ways. One was showing an important part of Civil War era history. Another was having a movie where the heroes don’t exactly prevail, but they show an immense amount of courage. My only problem with the movie is that at the end all of the white soldiers from various units seem willing and proud to serve with African Americans which wasn’t a reality.  --- //[[khaynes3@umw.edu|Haynes, Kelly E.]] 2016/10/12 23:36//
+I think this movie was significant in several ways. One was showing an important part of Civil War era history. **Another was having a movie where the heroes don’t exactly prevail, but they show an immense amount of courage. My only problem with the movie is that at the end all of the white soldiers from various units seem willing and proud to serve with African Americans which wasn’t a reality.**  --- //[[khaynes3@umw.edu|Haynes, Kelly E.]] 2016/10/12 23:36//
-When we watched the Patriot a few weeks ago, I asked what the point was in remaking a story about a war that happened centuries ago. This movie is one of the exceptions. Instead of repeating the story that we already know, this movie talks about a regiment that isn’t common knowledge and knowing about its existence is a vital part of understanding the true story of the Civil War. For so long, the history of the war was white washed, so understanding the complex nature of the war is critical to getting the full picture. Movies have the ability to convey a story that isn’t expressed in high school textbooks.  --- //[[lrainfor@umw.edu|Rainford, Lauren E.]] 2016/10/12 23:36//
+When we watched the Patriot a few weeks ago, I asked what the point was in remaking a story about a war that happened centuries ago. This movie is one of the exceptions. **Instead of repeating the story that we already know, this movie talks about a regiment that isn’t common knowledge and knowing about its existence is a vital part of understanding the true story of the Civil War. For so long, the history of the war was white washed, so understanding the complex nature of the war is critical to getting the full picture. Movies have the ability to convey a story that isn’t expressed in high school textbooks.**  --- //[[lrainfor@umw.edu|Rainford, Lauren E.]] 2016/10/12 23:36//