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| - | Where to begin.... The treatment of slavery in the movie was by far the most inaccurate. As we saw in the reading, the institution of slavery in the south was cruel and inhuman. Humans were treated as property and abused by their owners. This idea that slaves and owners had a caring relationship or that after the war African Americans were on top and whites were on the bottom is just not accurate. The movie demeans slaves and glorifies the institution of slavery. --Grace Corkran | + | Lacks the horrifying aspects of enslavement and fails to represent the rather large portion of slaves that were fleeing plantations in hopes of a better future, contributing to the start of The Civil War. -- Lindsey Sowers |
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| + | **Where to begin.... The treatment of slavery in the movie was by far the most inaccurate. As we saw in the reading, the institution of slavery in the south was cruel and inhuman. Humans were treated as property and abused by their owners. This idea that slaves and owners had a caring relationship or that after the war African Americans were on top and whites were on the bottom is just not accurate. The movie demeans slaves and glorifies the institution of slavery. --Grace Corkran** | ||
| It is a minor inaccuracy, but when Melanie is caring for a wounded soldier in the hospital he refers to the battle he was in as Bull Run instead of Manassas. The Federals called the battle Bull Run, while the Confederates referred to it as Manassas. -Maddie Shiflett | It is a minor inaccuracy, but when Melanie is caring for a wounded soldier in the hospital he refers to the battle he was in as Bull Run instead of Manassas. The Federals called the battle Bull Run, while the Confederates referred to it as Manassas. -Maddie Shiflett | ||
| - | The movie romanticizes the master and slave relationship and is inaccurate of the time. – Courtlyn Plunkett | + | The movie **romanticizes** the master and slave relationship and is inaccurate of the time. – Courtlyn Plunkett |
| - | The portrayal of stereotyped minstrel slave characters was the first offense. While Scarlett did hit Prissy and threaten her, Prissy was still portrayed to be dumb and subservient in every way. Sam also went out of his way to save Scarlett when she was being attacked, and went out of his way to speak to her like an old friend when he was being taken to dig trenches for the soldiers. He also seemed quite happy about serving the confederacy. --Erin Shaw | + | The portrayal of stereotyped minstrel slave characters was the first offense. |
| I agree with Grace. The movies portrayal of how slaves were treated was inaccurate. In class we talked about systematic violence and in the movie, that horrible and cruel treatment of slaves was not shown. --Caroline Collier | I agree with Grace. The movies portrayal of how slaves were treated was inaccurate. In class we talked about systematic violence and in the movie, that horrible and cruel treatment of slaves was not shown. --Caroline Collier | ||
| - | Going off of both Erin and Caroline, the idea of Paternalism that we discussed in class as being the main thinking of the south was true in the fact that many of the southerners believed that slavery was beneficial. But the movie show that idea of Paternalism as fact and a certainty in southern cotton culture. There is a romanization of slavery and there little violence shown towards slaves during the antebellum period and during the war. Through the interactions with Mammy and Big Sam who both are very happy to have been owned by Scarlett and her family. This relationship between the owners/ | + | Going off of both Erin and Caroline, |
| The famous scene in the hospital before Scarlett leaves with the soldier getting his leg amputated without chloroform is probably a total dramatization. Although its true that the Confederacy had supply shortages and there were cases that this occurred, 95% of surgeries and amputations during the Civil War used anesthesia. This a major Hollywood myth that Gone with the Wind had a big hand in perpetuating. http:// | The famous scene in the hospital before Scarlett leaves with the soldier getting his leg amputated without chloroform is probably a total dramatization. Although its true that the Confederacy had supply shortages and there were cases that this occurred, 95% of surgeries and amputations during the Civil War used anesthesia. This a major Hollywood myth that Gone with the Wind had a big hand in perpetuating. http:// | ||
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| Like many other people have mentioned, this movie had a very poor interpretation of slavery. Slavery was shown as not only not bad, but at times good which is the opposite of reality. Based on the lecture in class, I also found inaccurate that a proper rich southern woman would be actually tending to soldiers as a nurse. Based on what Dr. McClurken taught, that would have been extremely improper, especially for both Scarlett and Melanie. Another thing I noticed in this movie is how easily people in this movie can die from falling off a horse. Yes, falling off a horse is dangerous, but two characters in this film died that way and that seems excessive when I think of how many times I personally have fallen off a horse in my life. – Carolyn Stough | Like many other people have mentioned, this movie had a very poor interpretation of slavery. Slavery was shown as not only not bad, but at times good which is the opposite of reality. Based on the lecture in class, I also found inaccurate that a proper rich southern woman would be actually tending to soldiers as a nurse. Based on what Dr. McClurken taught, that would have been extremely improper, especially for both Scarlett and Melanie. Another thing I noticed in this movie is how easily people in this movie can die from falling off a horse. Yes, falling off a horse is dangerous, but two characters in this film died that way and that seems excessive when I think of how many times I personally have fallen off a horse in my life. – Carolyn Stough | ||
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| + | I agree with Erin and Caroline, the brutal treatment of the slaves was not shown. There was one scene where Scarlett hits Prissy and we see her threaten her but that’s all. There are moments where I would’ve thought the white characters were going to become very upset at something the slaves did but that didn’t happen. When Mammy brought out the guns by mentioning to Scarlett that she hadn’t seen Ashley ask for her hand, Scarlett throws a murderous look at her . . . and then eats, as Mammy had been begging her to. It was funny to see, but I don’t believe slaves had this sort of relationship with their masters. At times, it almost seems as if the slaves fear the Yankees and aren’t really interested in obtaining their freedom. For example, when Mammy goes into town with Scarlett, she plays the role of a devoted servant as she makes way for her master to pass through all the while giving disapproving looks to those she comes across. - Johana Colchado | ||
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| + | The portrayal of the women at this time was fairly accurate. As we learned in class time, women were an integral part of plantation life. They had to oversee a lot of the plantation labor as well as take on many household duties. -- Lindsey Sowers | ||
| The civil war was a thing --Grace Corkran | The civil war was a thing --Grace Corkran | ||
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| - | The movie got a lot of small details right about the 1860' | + | **The movie got a lot of small details right about the 1860' |
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| - | In class we talked about how during the war many single or widowed (Scarlett) women worked as nurses for wounded soldiers of the war. This was portrayed accurately, until Scarlett left the makeshift church hospital ~complaining~ that she has had enough. --Caroline Collier | + | **In class we talked about how during the war many single or widowed (Scarlett) women worked as nurses for wounded soldiers of the war.** This was portrayed accurately, until Scarlett left the makeshift church hospital ~complaining~ that she has had enough. --Caroline Collier |
| - | Scarlett’s first husband died of pneumonia and in class we talked about how many men died of diseases during the war, not just causualties of fighting. -Erin Andrewlevich | + | **Scarlett’s first husband died of pneumonia and in class we talked about how many men died of diseases during the war, not just causualties of fighting. -Erin Andrewlevich** |
| - | The scene where Scarlett walks out into the street of Atlanta looking for a doctor to see hundreds of wounded men was most likely dramatized but accurate at the same time. In places that became Civil War hospitals, there would be such a number of wounded men that most of them would be placed where ever they could find space.The most serious injuries would go into the hospital rooms which would be crammed with as many soldiers that they could possibly get in and if your injury was not as serious, you would be placed outside. During the first battle of Fredericksburg, | + | The scene where Scarlett walks out into the street of **Atlanta looking for a doctor to see hundreds of wounded men was most likely dramatized but accurate at the same time.** In places that became Civil War hospitals, there would be such a number of wounded men that most of them would be placed where ever they could find space.The most serious injuries would go into the hospital rooms which would be crammed with as many soldiers that they could possibly get in and if your injury was not as serious, you would be placed outside. During the first battle of Fredericksburg, |
| As we discussed in class there were various methods in which enslaved peoples could protest their masters. As we see in Gone with the Wind, when Mrs. Wilkes is having her child she sends the slave woman to the hospital to get the doctor and during that scene Scarlett threatens to sell her children for not moving fast enough. In the next scenes you see the slave woman singing downstairs and taking her time as a form of passive protest. --William Roszell | As we discussed in class there were various methods in which enslaved peoples could protest their masters. As we see in Gone with the Wind, when Mrs. Wilkes is having her child she sends the slave woman to the hospital to get the doctor and during that scene Scarlett threatens to sell her children for not moving fast enough. In the next scenes you see the slave woman singing downstairs and taking her time as a form of passive protest. --William Roszell | ||
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| The movie accurately portrayed women during this time period, specifically relating to plantation life. Women often had to oversee work, which we see in the movie when Ellen O'Hara was overseeing and directing work on the plantation. --Maryanna Stribling | The movie accurately portrayed women during this time period, specifically relating to plantation life. Women often had to oversee work, which we see in the movie when Ellen O'Hara was overseeing and directing work on the plantation. --Maryanna Stribling | ||
| - | Although the movie is biased, it does offer an accurate insight as to how the south viewed itself. It shows how the Southerners victimized themselves and acted like the North was trying to ruin their way of life. It also shows us that the Civil War mostly affected wealthy plantation owners due to the heavy reliance on slavery, although they didn't recognize it as immoral and wanted it to continue, another view point that we see in the film. --Maryanna Stribling | + | Although the movie is biased, it does offer an accurate insight as to how the south viewed itself. It shows how the **Southerners victimized themselves and acted like the North was trying to ruin their way of life.** It also shows us that the Civil War mostly affected wealthy plantation owners due to the heavy reliance on slavery, although they didn't recognize it as immoral and wanted it to continue, another view point that we see in the film. --Maryanna Stribling |
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| + | Sherman’s ‘scorched earth’ march to the sea from Atlanta to Savannah was accurately portrayed. | ||
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| + | Many of the Civil War era events that are mentioned in the movie actually did happen, such as Gettysburg and Sherman’s “March to the Sea”. The hardships faced by the characters, although not entirely accurate in substance, do reflect how difficult the Civil War era would have been for civilians off of the battlefield living their lives. - Sam Hartz | ||
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| - | This film only relied on history so that Scarlett could wear beautiful costumes. Every mention of the war is just a backdrop for Scarlett' | + | ****This film only relied on history so that Scarlett could wear beautiful costumes. Every mention of the war is just a backdrop for Scarlett' |
| - | Clearly racial representation wasn't the greatest in 1939, but for them to essentially make a heteronormative love roller coaster epic with casual racist stereotypes thrown in just seems strange. As the second world war emerged shortly before the film was released, I was wondering if the war setting of this film was meant to be a reaction to the first world war/current tensions? Were the racist stereotypes simply meant to be comedic relief from Scarlett and Rhett' | + | **Clearly racial representation wasn't the greatest in 1939, but for them to essentially make a heteronormative love roller coaster epic with casual racist stereotypes thrown in just seems strange. As the second world war emerged shortly before the film was released, I was wondering if the war setting of this film was meant to be a reaction to the first world war/current tensions? Were the racist stereotypes simply meant to be comedic relief from Scarlett and Rhett' |
| The film was very open with slavery as a good thing, which its definitely not. The film seemed okay with using this idea of confederate cause and the glory and honor of the confederacy. But this was after World War I and African American men served in two combat divisions as well as serving in service units. There was more of an integration in some officer camps as well. So was the movie meant to show that whites were still important and still on top? Because there was a lot of racism and for a long movie acting like an epic this just showed a false history of the Civil War. Was this book and film a reaction to more rights for African Americans in the US? Or the creation of the NAACP in 1909? It seems like a reactionary film that was made with the purpose of preserving the idea of Paternalism. | The film was very open with slavery as a good thing, which its definitely not. The film seemed okay with using this idea of confederate cause and the glory and honor of the confederacy. But this was after World War I and African American men served in two combat divisions as well as serving in service units. There was more of an integration in some officer camps as well. So was the movie meant to show that whites were still important and still on top? Because there was a lot of racism and for a long movie acting like an epic this just showed a false history of the Civil War. Was this book and film a reaction to more rights for African Americans in the US? Or the creation of the NAACP in 1909? It seems like a reactionary film that was made with the purpose of preserving the idea of Paternalism. | ||
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| - | Through out the movie, one of the things that kept coming into mind is how much you can see the lost cause narrative pop into the storyline. In the opening text after the opening credits, the scroll says "There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South . . . Here in this pretty world Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered. A Civilization gone with the wind . . ." This opening scrawl was put over the background of enslaved workers out in a field with, if I remember correctly, a picturesque sunset right behind them doing hard labor. That opening shot just tries to establish the narrative of the "happy slave" and that it was all stolen by those "dang Yanks" during the war. Theres just little comments thrown in to try and consistently support the lost cause narrative through out the movie with all of the enslaved characters sticking with their masters. Was that the whole purpose of creating this movie to support the lost cause and to romanticize the old south?-- Ellora Larsen | + | **Through out the movie, one of the things that kept coming into mind is how much you can see the lost cause narrative pop into the storyline. In the opening text after the opening credits, the scroll says "There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South . . . Here in this pretty world Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered. A Civilization gone with the wind . . ."** This opening scrawl was put over the background of enslaved workers out in a field with, if I remember correctly, a picturesque sunset right behind them doing hard labor. That opening shot just tries to establish the narrative of the "happy slave" and that it was all stolen by those "dang Yanks" during the war. Theres just little comments thrown in to try and consistently support the lost cause narrative through out the movie with all of the enslaved characters sticking with their masters. Was that the whole purpose of creating this movie to support the lost cause and to romanticize the old south?-- Ellora Larsen |
| - | As many people have already said, this movie clearly has a bias for the south. The romanticizing of the southern experience through the demonization of the North is one of the major themes of the film itself. While the major focus is the cringeworthy drama of Scarlett never knowing what she wants at any given moment, the movie continually takes jabs at the Union. From the brushing off of slavery as an inconsequential part of the war, to essentially calling General Sherman a monster (which to be fair, at least from the perspective of the South, he was), this movie doesn' | + | As many people have already said, this movie clearly has a bias for the south. The romanticizing of the southern experience through the demonization of the North is one of the major themes of the film itself. While the major focus is the cringeworthy drama of Scarlett never knowing what she wants at any given moment, the movie continually takes jabs at the Union. From the brushing off of slavery as an inconsequential part of the war, to essentially calling General Sherman a monster (which to be fair, at least from the perspective of the South, he was), this movie doesn' |
| + | I don’t think the movie romanticizes the south at all. Instead, quite the opposite. | ||
| Obviously the movie is steeped in Lost Cause-ism. However, one thing that I always associate with that is denouncing and hatred for what Sherman did in Georgia, calling it "war crimes" | Obviously the movie is steeped in Lost Cause-ism. However, one thing that I always associate with that is denouncing and hatred for what Sherman did in Georgia, calling it "war crimes" | ||
| - | I think it’s important to understand that this movie was produced in 1939. While it doesn’t excuse the film, you must understand it as a work of the time. Most of the narratives on slavery and the south had depicted slavery from point of view of the overseer or the white owners. It wasn’t until the 1976 works of Eugene Genovese’s Roll, Jordan, Roll that anyone really does any work from the point of view of the enslaved. --William Roszell | + | **I think it’s important to understand that this movie was produced in 1939. While it doesn’t excuse the film, you must understand it as a work of the time.** Most of the narratives on slavery and the south had depicted slavery from point of view of the overseer or the white owners. It wasn’t until the 1976 works of Eugene Genovese’s Roll, Jordan, Roll that anyone really does any work from the point of view of the enslaved. --William Roszell |
| Did the filmmakers intentionally make the main slaves except for Mammy seem like silly idiots? The slave girl seemed especially exaggerated in almost a caricature of slaves in a way that is particularly concerning today. Was that kind of caricature still perpetuated in the 1930s when this was made? – Carolyn Stough | Did the filmmakers intentionally make the main slaves except for Mammy seem like silly idiots? The slave girl seemed especially exaggerated in almost a caricature of slaves in a way that is particularly concerning today. Was that kind of caricature still perpetuated in the 1930s when this was made? – Carolyn Stough | ||
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| + | Although I do see stereotypes of the slaves in the movie, during the scene when Scarlett arrives at Tara after her journey and is told they have no more food or livestock, the slaves looked lost when. They said that since they were house slaves they didn’t know what needed to be done or how to work the field or milk a cow. I wonder if that’s how it truly was in those times- if the house slaves weren’t allowed to learn about anything else except household duties. | ||
| + | Also, can we please talk about Prissy? At first, | ||
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| - | This movie is TERRIBLE for trying to understand what slavery was like but it is very helpful in understanding the perception of slavery by whites in the 1930' | + | ****This movie is TERRIBLE for trying to understand what slavery was like but it is very helpful in understanding the perception of slavery by whites in the 1930' |
| - | Not only were the African American actors and actresses included in the film made to portray slavery in a manner that was deceptive of its realities. They also faced inequality during the production process. The film was premiered in Atlanta on December 15, 1939 and African Americans were not allowed to attend. Hattie McDaniel, who played Mammy, did not attend even though she ended up winning an Academy Award for her role. She was also kept off of the souvenir book for the movie. This movie speaks volumes about the state of racial issues during the 1930' | + | **Not only were the African American actors and actresses included in the film made to portray slavery in a manner that was deceptive of its realities. They also faced inequality during the production process. The film was premiered in Atlanta on December 15, 1939 and African Americans were not allowed to attend. Hattie McDaniel, who played Mammy, did not attend even though she ended up winning an Academy Award for her role. She was also kept off of the souvenir book for the movie. This movie speaks volumes about the state of racial issues during the 1930' |
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| - | The Mammy character was commonly used in cartoons produced around this time period, which were aired before movies. Betty Boop, Felix the Cat, and Merrie Melodies all used a Mammy character at some point to make jokes at the expense of black people. (Betty Boop: https:// | + | **The Mammy character was commonly used in cartoons produced around this time period, which were aired before movies. Betty Boop, Felix the Cat, and Merrie Melodies all used a Mammy character at some point to make jokes at the expense of black people. (Betty Boop: https:// |
| So far this is the oldest movie we’ve watched in this class and it clearly shows. Many people have pointed out how this movie deals so inappropriately with slavery and race (inappropriately in today’s terms). Along with this this movie heavily romanticizes the Civil War from a southern point of view and sure this still happens today but I don’t think to an extent that this movie went to. A movie like this probably wouldn’t be made today and if it was, it most likely be fundamentally different in the aspects of things we are more understanding of today, such as race. -Erin Andrewlevich | So far this is the oldest movie we’ve watched in this class and it clearly shows. Many people have pointed out how this movie deals so inappropriately with slavery and race (inappropriately in today’s terms). Along with this this movie heavily romanticizes the Civil War from a southern point of view and sure this still happens today but I don’t think to an extent that this movie went to. A movie like this probably wouldn’t be made today and if it was, it most likely be fundamentally different in the aspects of things we are more understanding of today, such as race. -Erin Andrewlevich | ||
| - | This movie adequately builds off how history was written at the time. History was written primarily from a white supremacy point of view. It isn’t until the civil rights movements that history begins to change the narratives and perspectives of how enslaved people were treated at the time. -William Roszell | + | **This movie adequately builds off how history was written at the time. History was written primarily from a white supremacy point of view. It isn’t until the civil rights movements that history begins to change the narratives and perspectives of how enslaved people were treated at the time. -William Roszell** |
| - | Many people have mentioned how this movie is blatantly racist (a point on which I agree, | + | It is a good primary source of the way things were when Margaret Mitchell wrote the book and when the movie was made. I think the movie does an excellent job of portraying a nuanced position |
| - | Gone With The Wind is a perfect example | + | Many people have mentioned how this movie is blatantly racist (a point on which I agree, the character |
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| - | The slaves included in the movie: Mammy, Prissy, Pork, and Big Sam are seemingly serving their benevolent masters who care for them and view their slaves as practically family. In fact, viewers believed and fell for the faithful slave depiction so hard that Hattie McDaniel (Mammy) became the first black Oscar winner. Further, she accepted her award in a ‘no blacks’ hotel in Los Angeles. From that point, she played in 74 maid roles after Gone With the Wind. In the linked article, McDaniel was questioned by both the black and white community for her depiction of slaves in the ‘Old South’. The NAACP disowned her because of her acting out of the lost cause black stereotype. While it makes me happy to know that McDaniel received recognition for her role, it is disheartening that she had to continue playing the playing the same role in order to keep her job and appease white audiences. | + | **Gone With The Wind is a perfect example of the ‘lost cause’ argument that emerged after the Civil War and evidence of how the South romanticized the War. The South is viewed in the movie as the victim as well as a hero despite their detrimental loss of land and economy. Further, the lost cause argument tends to shy away from mention of slavery and instead details the fight fueled by honor the South fought for their southern way of life (i.e. Plantation system sustained by slavery). In the movie, slavery is sugar-coated and looked upon as nostalgic. Given Gone with the Wind released in 1939, pro-slavery and racial arrogance still reigned. However, as part of the lost cause, slavery is remembered through books such as Uncle Tom’s Cabin and Disney’s motion picture, Song of the South. |
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| + | **The slaves included in the movie: Mammy, Prissy, Pork, and Big Sam are seemingly serving their benevolent masters who care for them and view their slaves as practically family. In fact, viewers believed and fell for the faithful slave depiction so hard that Hattie McDaniel (Mammy) became the first black Oscar winner. Further, she accepted her award in a ‘no blacks’ hotel in Los Angeles. From that point, she played in 74 maid roles after Gone With the Wind. In the linked article, McDaniel was questioned by both the black and white community for her depiction of slaves in the ‘Old South’. The NAACP disowned her because of her acting out of the lost cause black stereotype. While it makes me happy to know that McDaniel received recognition for her role, it is disheartening that she had to continue playing the playing the same role in order to keep her job and appease white audiences.** | ||
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| - | The movie as a secondary source for that time is not an acceptable one if being used for learning about history. As a secondary source for today, it could be considered a good one if used as an example of how African Americans were treated in Hollywood. This movie could also be used to describe how Hollywood pictured slaves in film. --Alyx Wilson | + | The movie as a secondary source for that time is not an acceptable one if being used for learning about history. As a secondary source for today, it could be considered a good one if used as an example of how African Americans were treated in Hollywood. This movie could also be used to describe how Hollywood pictured slaves in film. --Alyx |
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| + | I agree with Grace, this is not the slave’s perception but it’s of the Southern white upperclass during the Civil War and post-war era. It is also casually mentioned in the film about “cleaning out the woods” and “political meeting” was something more gruesome that involved a group dressed in white sheets. It was mentioned so casually and indirectly, so it was easy to pass it off as the men being saviors and protecting the women . . . until you realize there is more to that. The film is a good interpretation of one P.O.V. and only one. https:// | ||
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| + | Gone with the Wind is a good primary source for the time that it was written and that the movie was made. It shows how people liked to view slavery and the idealized antebellum South. It does not do a good job though of actually depicting slavery and the antebellum South in a way that is at all accurate. - Sam Hartz | ||
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| - | No emphasis is placed on the 13th Amendment and the freeing of slaves during the film. The movie slightly alludes to emancipation with scenes of free men in suits walking around Atlanta and the offer of 40 acres and a mule in exchange for a vote by a man on the street. Yet, there is never any blatant statement made that the slaves have been freed. And for the slaves of the O'Hara family, there is never a point where they must decide whether to remain with the family or leave. It seems as if Margaret Mitchell found it " | + | **No emphasis is placed on the 13th Amendment and the freeing of slaves during the film. The movie slightly alludes to emancipation with scenes of free men in suits walking around Atlanta and the offer of 40 acres and a mule in exchange for a vote by a man on the street. Yet, there is never any blatant statement made that the slaves have been freed. And for the slaves of the O'Hara family, there is never a point where they must decide whether to remain with the family or leave. It seems as if Margaret Mitchell found it " |
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| - | Through the readings of Jacob Stroyer and the letter sent by slaves and formers slaves, it was very apparent that they were mistreated by slave owners and did not want to be slaves at all, but Gone with the Wind did not portray their side of slavery. Gone with the Wind took the accounts of people like George Fitzhugh who romanticized the concept of slavery for African Americans, depicting Southern slaves as people who liked slavery instead of hating it. What the movie ends up with is a Confederate South where not one slave tried to escape to the North, even though historically large amounts did. -Kyle Moore | + | **Through the readings of Jacob Stroyer and the letter sent by slaves and formers slaves, it was very apparent that they were mistreated by slave owners and did not want to be slaves at all, but Gone with the Wind did not portray their side of slavery. Gone with the Wind took the accounts of people like George Fitzhugh who romanticized the concept of slavery for African Americans, depicting Southern slaves as people who liked slavery instead of hating it. What the movie ends up with is a Confederate South where not one slave tried to escape to the North, even though historically large amounts did. -Kyle Moore** |
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| With most depictions of African American women in film, it often follows the archetype of the Mammy, the Jezebel, or the Sapphire. Mammy in the movie follows the perfect archetype of the Mammy or Mammie figure. How does this stereotype play into this movie and how does it play into movies today? -- Ellora Larsen | With most depictions of African American women in film, it often follows the archetype of the Mammy, the Jezebel, or the Sapphire. Mammy in the movie follows the perfect archetype of the Mammy or Mammie figure. How does this stereotype play into this movie and how does it play into movies today? -- Ellora Larsen | ||
| - | Were audiences in 1939 at all sympathetic with Scarlett? Because she made the entire experience of watching this movie unbearable with her constant whining. I didn't understand why she was the main character, and why we should root for her. --Erin Shaw | + | **Were audiences in 1939 at all sympathetic with Scarlett? Because she made the entire experience of watching this movie unbearable with her constant whining. I didn't understand why she was the main character, and why we should root for her. --Erin Shaw** |
| - | Gone with the Wind is incredibly biased toward the South and slavery, but was still a huge hit in the 1940’s and a huge contributor to the romanticization of the “Old South” that is still prevalent. -Kyle Moore | + | Gone with the Wind is incredibly biased toward the South and slavery, but was still a huge hit in the 1940’s and a **huge contributor to the romanticization of the “Old South” that is still prevalent.** -Kyle Moore |
| How did this movie act to further hide the atrocities of slavery so white people didn't feel guilty? Well, start by directing the enslaved characters to act as unintelligent and obnoxious as possible to start with some subconscious disgust. Next, totally neglect the primary accounts of enslaved peoples during their lives as slaves and during the civil war to undermine their contributions and suffering. Finally, portray the white people as the victims of the civil war, who apparently value land more than anything else, including human life. "Gone with the Wind" does a great job of neglecting the frightful stories of African Americans so white people can sit down and enjoy a triumphant story about unhealthy relationships, | How did this movie act to further hide the atrocities of slavery so white people didn't feel guilty? Well, start by directing the enslaved characters to act as unintelligent and obnoxious as possible to start with some subconscious disgust. Next, totally neglect the primary accounts of enslaved peoples during their lives as slaves and during the civil war to undermine their contributions and suffering. Finally, portray the white people as the victims of the civil war, who apparently value land more than anything else, including human life. "Gone with the Wind" does a great job of neglecting the frightful stories of African Americans so white people can sit down and enjoy a triumphant story about unhealthy relationships, | ||
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| As Justin pointed out under the secondary source wiki, everyone has just talked about the issue of slavery in this movie while ignoring the obvious rape scene between Rhett and Scarlett. Why has this scene been ignored so much? The scene itself can be taken as just a romantic thing between the two, but obviously viewers notice that Scarlett struggles against Rhett and unless meanings have changed within the last 2 minutes, struggling usually means no bueno to the other party. --Alyx Wilson | As Justin pointed out under the secondary source wiki, everyone has just talked about the issue of slavery in this movie while ignoring the obvious rape scene between Rhett and Scarlett. Why has this scene been ignored so much? The scene itself can be taken as just a romantic thing between the two, but obviously viewers notice that Scarlett struggles against Rhett and unless meanings have changed within the last 2 minutes, struggling usually means no bueno to the other party. --Alyx Wilson | ||
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