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 ====== I. How does this movie work as a secondary source? What does the movie get right about history?  ====== ====== I. How does this movie work as a secondary source? What does the movie get right about history?  ======
  
-The movie the Patriot can work as a secondary source due to the fact that the movie does take place in a historical setting. But, of course, we would not rely on this movie to be a sole resource to get information from. Just like the Last of the Mohicans, and Pocahontas it opens the conversation of the Revolutionary War via a movie that appeals to a mature audience. This movie does get some things wrong, but it also gets the clothing, music, weapon styles, and timelines correct. - Kaylee Williams +The movie the Patriot can work as a secondary source due to the fact that the movie does take place in a historical setting. **But, of course, we would not rely on this movie to be a sole resource to get information from.** Just like the Last of the Mohicans, and Pocahontas it opens the conversation of the Revolutionary War via a movie that appeals to a mature audience. This movie does get some things wrong, but it also gets the clothing, music, weapon styles, and timelines correct. - Kaylee Williams 
  
-The film can work on a more basic level as a secondary source when looking at the specifics of the time period, such as weapons, battle tactics, architecture, clothing and other such things. Certain aspects of the film are done very well, however it is almost completely overshadowed by some very important missteps with the character writing. This film has incredibly basic information on slavery and race relations in SOUTH CAROLINA during the American Revolution. This film also goes out of its way to portray the British in the most Evil way they can, and glorifying the patriot cause (despite making a point to show that the Patriot cause was violent and it was bad that they would kill surrendering men.) This movie falls into many generic and cliche storytelling traps, and works more as a propaganda film than a historical epic. However all in all, the film can work as a secondary source for the time period, but certainly not the motivations and actions of the people living during that time.-- AJ DeGeorge+**The film can work on a more basic level as a secondary source when looking at the specifics of the time period, such as weapons, battle tactics, architecture, clothing and other such things. Certain aspects of the film are done very well, however it is almost completely overshadowed by some very important missteps with the character writing.** This film has incredibly basic information on slavery and race relations in SOUTH CAROLINA during the American Revolution. This film also goes out of its way to portray the British in the most Evil way they can, and glorifying the patriot cause (despite making a point to show that the Patriot cause was violent and it was bad that they would kill surrendering men.) **This movie falls into many generic and cliche storytelling traps, and works more as a propaganda film than a historical epic.** However all in all, the film can work as a secondary source for the time period, but certainly not the motivations and actions of the people living during that time.-- AJ DeGeorge
  
-The movie, The Patriot, works as a secondary source for the Revolutionary War because it depicts the story taking place in a historical setting with a somewhat accurate timeline. There were some things that were wrong in the movie such as who was exactly fighting in a battle scene and why. The clothing, music, and weapons that were used also seem to be correct in how the characters used and wore these items. Another aspect that was correct was the 18th century tactics that were used, such as the Guerrilla forces that helped keep the war alive in South Carolina. This was done by using an untrained, ragtag group of militiamen that made an American victory possible by hiding out in swamps, taking advantage of the British, and outsmarting them. -Lauren Simpson+The movie gets a number of things wrong, but it does still get some things right.  **For example, the guerrilla style of fighting that the movie depicts was used by the colonists.** ** Additionally, they did often aim at officers when shooting.  Both of these styles were not considered honorable at the time.  However, these styles are also one of the main ways that they were able to win the war.**  As Mel Gibson's character points out, facing the British army head on is a death sentence for the soldiers and will result in losing many battles. -Daniel Walker 
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 +The movie, The Patriot, works as a secondary source for the Revolutionary War because it depicts the story taking place in a historical setting with a somewhat accurate timeline. There were some things that were wrong in the movie such as who was exactly fighting in a battle scene and why. The clothing, music, and weapons that were used also seem to be correct in how the characters used and wore these items. **Another aspect that was correct was the 18th century tactics that were used, such as the Guerrilla forces that helped keep the war alive in South Carolina.** This was done by using an untrained, ragtag group of militiamen that made an American victory possible by hiding out in swamps, taking advantage of the British, and outsmarting them. -Lauren Simpson
  
 Mel Gibson’s The Patriot is an excellent secondary source on the American Revolution because it gives viewers an insight into what life was like for a family that tried to stay neutral. In my opinion, it is not something we typically see, and why I liked this film. Mel Gibson’s The Patriot is an excellent secondary source on the American Revolution because it gives viewers an insight into what life was like for a family that tried to stay neutral. In my opinion, it is not something we typically see, and why I liked this film.
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 While I do not think this movie can be considered a good secondary source for the Revolutionary War as a whole, I do think it does an excellent job of portraying how the war was fought in a relatively realistic manner. I was mostly impressed by the stance it took on guerrilla warfare. When I think back on learning about the American Revolution, teachers tend not to tell you about the grittier parts of the war. They mainly focus on the Continental Army and disregard everything else. Looking at the Revolution from the angle portrayed in the film was a nice touch. Though they never use the term "guerrilla warfare," it's plain to see that those are the tactics being employed. Benjamin Martin, while not a historical figure, is based mainly on the real-life Francis Marion, notoriously known as "The Swamp Fox." While he is considered a Revolutionary hero in South Carolina, Marion was no saint. He adapted the tactics used against him in the French and Indian War, observing how the Cherokees used the landscape to their advantage to hide and ambush unwitting patrols. Marion then used these same tactics to deal devastating blows to the British in the south. Due to the nature of the British being spread pretty thin the south, it is reasonable to assume that Marion's expertise in guerrilla warfare helped the local militias hold the south despite not being part of an organized military force.  While I do not think this movie can be considered a good secondary source for the Revolutionary War as a whole, I do think it does an excellent job of portraying how the war was fought in a relatively realistic manner. I was mostly impressed by the stance it took on guerrilla warfare. When I think back on learning about the American Revolution, teachers tend not to tell you about the grittier parts of the war. They mainly focus on the Continental Army and disregard everything else. Looking at the Revolution from the angle portrayed in the film was a nice touch. Though they never use the term "guerrilla warfare," it's plain to see that those are the tactics being employed. Benjamin Martin, while not a historical figure, is based mainly on the real-life Francis Marion, notoriously known as "The Swamp Fox." While he is considered a Revolutionary hero in South Carolina, Marion was no saint. He adapted the tactics used against him in the French and Indian War, observing how the Cherokees used the landscape to their advantage to hide and ambush unwitting patrols. Marion then used these same tactics to deal devastating blows to the British in the south. Due to the nature of the British being spread pretty thin the south, it is reasonable to assume that Marion's expertise in guerrilla warfare helped the local militias hold the south despite not being part of an organized military force. 
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 Crawford, Amy. “The Swamp Fox.” Smithsonian Magazine, June 30, 2007. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-swamp-fox-157330429/. -- Lyndsey Clark Crawford, Amy. “The Swamp Fox.” Smithsonian Magazine, June 30, 2007. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-swamp-fox-157330429/. -- Lyndsey Clark
  
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 I think that this film could be used as a secondary source, but as others have mentioned, there are issues that the viewer should be aware of. I think that they should have an understanding of the events surrounding the Revolutionary War, and the years leading up to it. I do, however, think that the movie portrays things like costumes, dates, and places pretty accurately. I think that the film's portrayal of the British mirrors that of the British portrayal of Americans in the primary documents. Overall, I think that the film would be a pretty good secondary source. -- Mariah Morton I think that this film could be used as a secondary source, but as others have mentioned, there are issues that the viewer should be aware of. I think that they should have an understanding of the events surrounding the Revolutionary War, and the years leading up to it. I do, however, think that the movie portrays things like costumes, dates, and places pretty accurately. I think that the film's portrayal of the British mirrors that of the British portrayal of Americans in the primary documents. Overall, I think that the film would be a pretty good secondary source. -- Mariah Morton
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 +It’s difficult to call this movie an effective secondary source. It’s good at reflecting the time period in its visuals but the character portrayals leave much to be desired. The characters are based on people who may have embodied that role during the war, but they aren’t based on real people and this becomes clear through the exaggerated characterization. The movie proves to have given up a lot for the sake of entertainment; it paints a very complicated conflict as one with a simple good side and bad side and uses many film tropes. It provides a good general idea about the war but isn’t a very effective secondary source to really understand the conflict and the interpersonal relationships during period. -Purnaja Podduturi
  
 ====== II. Problems with historical accuracy? Errors in fact? ====== ====== II. Problems with historical accuracy? Errors in fact? ======
-The historical inaccuracies of ‘The Patriot’ were plentiful, the movie lies far more in an entertainment light than in a secondary source in anything other than whitewashing and gross undermining of real tragic events.  According to the film the main reason for the Revolutionary War was not frustration of the colonists at Britain but for the revenge of one man, whos son was shot by a British officer for absolutely no reason.  But an even bigger historical inaccuracy of the Patriot was the portrayal of slavery.  There was one token black character who we got the vaguest, briefest backstory of; he was a slave, who by the end of the movie had earned ‘freedom’ for fighting in the revolution and then became best friends with the racist, now not racist, white guy and decided to work with him.  It was grossly undermining of actual brutal racism and slavery of colonial America.  The film is absent of almost any slaves except for those of Charlotte, who owns a plantation, and eventually get shot by the British.  In the primary source reading Samuel Johnson remarks on how the rebels are “yelping the loudest” for freedom while owning slaves which this movie ironically does as well.  Ofcourse the one black slave does earn his freedom in the end but this is also inaccurate as both Britain and America agreed that granting freedom to slaves was cause for social revolution and therefore not in their interests. -Janis Shurtleff   +The historical inaccuracies of ‘The Patriot’ were plentiful, the movie lies far more in an entertainment light than in a secondary source in anything other than whitewashing and gross undermining of real tragic events.  According to the film the main reason for the Revolutionary War was not frustration of the colonists at Britain but for the revenge of one man, whos son was shot by a British officer for absolutely no reason.  But an even bigger historical inaccuracy of the Patriot was the portrayal of slavery.  There was one token black character who we got the vaguest, briefest backstory of; he was a slave, who by the end of the movie had earned ‘freedom’ for fighting in the revolution and then became best friends with the racist, now not racist, white guy and decided to work with him.  It was grossly undermining of actual brutal racism and slavery of colonial America.  The film is absent of almost any slaves except for those of Charlotte, who owns a plantation, and eventually get shot by the British.  In the primary source reading Samuel Johnson remarks on how the rebels are “yelping the loudest” for freedom while owning slaves which this movie ironically does as well.  Of course the one black slave does earn his freedom in the end but this is also inaccurate as both Britain and America agreed that granting freedom to slaves was cause for social revolution and therefore not in their interests. -Janis Shurtleff   
  
-This week's movie, 'The Patriot' does get a lot of correct in the film, but there are a lot of errors as well. For example, the weapons that were featured in the movie were not at all as accurate as the movie made them out to be. The musket guns that were used during the Revolutionary War were very unreliable and inaccurate. -Kaylee Williams+This week's movie, 'The Patriot' does get a lot of correct in the film, but there are a lot of errors as well. **For example, the weapons that were featured in the movie were not at all as accurate as the movie made them out to be.** The musket guns that were used during the Revolutionary War were very unreliable and inaccurate. -Kaylee Williams
  
-There are quite a few inaccuracies that occurred in the film, The Patriot. The first error that occurred in the film was the soldiers engaging in drills and taking commands from their Colonel. While in actuality, the militia did not know how to do drills or take commands and were not good at facing up to a battle against the British. When the militia was faced with well-trained and well-armed British troops, they threw down their arms and ran away. Another inaccuracy is the portrayal of some British soldiers as evil, blood thirsty sadists who would kill anyone that got in their way. In the film, we see the redcoats go as far as rounding up a village of people, locking up a church and setting it ablaze. No such thing ever happened during the Revolutionary War. In reality, some soldiers did have that "kill at all costs" mindset but the majority of them sided with the General and wanted to fight the war with honor and not vengeance. -Lauren Simpson+There are quite a few inaccuracies that occurred in the film, The Patriot. The first error that occurred in the film was the soldiers engaging in drills and taking commands from their Colonel. While in actuality, the militia did not know how to do drills or take commands and were not good at facing up to a battle against the British. When the militia was faced with well-trained and well-armed British troops, they threw down their arms and ran away. Another inaccuracy is the portrayal of some British soldiers as evil, blood thirsty sadists who would kill anyone that got in their way. In the film, we see the redcoats go as far as rounding up a village of people, locking up a church and setting it ablaze. No such thing ever happened during the Revolutionary War. **In reality, some soldiers did have that "kill at all costs" mindset but the majority of them sided with the General and wanted to fight the war with honor and not vengeance.** -Lauren Simpson
  
 One of the most glaring historical inaccuracies that I saw was how the movie handled the issue of slavery. For a movie that purports itself to be a historical film, the way they handled this issue was extremely disappointing. The first introduction we get to African Americans in the film is through the lady of the house, who I assume acts as a stewardess. Not only that, there is a comment made by the workers of the farm to the British, claiming they work the land and are not slaves. While this could be true, it is also highly unlikely. This story takes place in South Carolina, a place where slavery was the dominant form of labor for the southern economy. Benjamin Martin is portrayed to be a rather wealthy landowner, meaning he would have most likely own slaves. Similarly, Benjamin's sister-in-law (and later lover?) appears to be a slave owner, though this is note outright said in the film. This entire situation combined with the plot hole where the entire family ends up living in a maroon settlement for free slaves is bamboozling from a historical standpoint. Furthermore, the side-story involving Occam, the slave who is sent in place of his master (the only historically accurate thing I saw in his story), feels like it was done for the sake of the audience rather than as a historical aside. While his story of his search for freedom is compelling, emancipation was not something that was guaranteed for enslaved men in the army. Nor were they treated as equals, which is something that is touched upon then thrown out the window. To make matters worse, Occam is not serving in the Continental Army because Martin's rag-tag group is a militia that specializes in guerrilla warfare tactics. It makes his story seem less relevant, because the sad truth is that many slaves probably were under the assumption that they would gain freedom for fighting with them, only to have that taken from them once the war was over. This is the reason why Dunmore's Proclamation was so popular among enslaved people, because the British at least tried to guarantee freedom to slaves willing to betray their masters and fight on the side of the Crown. -- Lyndsey Clark One of the most glaring historical inaccuracies that I saw was how the movie handled the issue of slavery. For a movie that purports itself to be a historical film, the way they handled this issue was extremely disappointing. The first introduction we get to African Americans in the film is through the lady of the house, who I assume acts as a stewardess. Not only that, there is a comment made by the workers of the farm to the British, claiming they work the land and are not slaves. While this could be true, it is also highly unlikely. This story takes place in South Carolina, a place where slavery was the dominant form of labor for the southern economy. Benjamin Martin is portrayed to be a rather wealthy landowner, meaning he would have most likely own slaves. Similarly, Benjamin's sister-in-law (and later lover?) appears to be a slave owner, though this is note outright said in the film. This entire situation combined with the plot hole where the entire family ends up living in a maroon settlement for free slaves is bamboozling from a historical standpoint. Furthermore, the side-story involving Occam, the slave who is sent in place of his master (the only historically accurate thing I saw in his story), feels like it was done for the sake of the audience rather than as a historical aside. While his story of his search for freedom is compelling, emancipation was not something that was guaranteed for enslaved men in the army. Nor were they treated as equals, which is something that is touched upon then thrown out the window. To make matters worse, Occam is not serving in the Continental Army because Martin's rag-tag group is a militia that specializes in guerrilla warfare tactics. It makes his story seem less relevant, because the sad truth is that many slaves probably were under the assumption that they would gain freedom for fighting with them, only to have that taken from them once the war was over. This is the reason why Dunmore's Proclamation was so popular among enslaved people, because the British at least tried to guarantee freedom to slaves willing to betray their masters and fight on the side of the Crown. -- Lyndsey Clark
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 They definitely villainized the British to a crazy extent making the movie to be good against evil rather than the complexities of the actual revolution. A large part of the reason the war started was because of taxes and that the British felt like they should be able to tax the colonies because they basically fought a war for them. I also found it odd that the only black man in the movie was really happy to work for Benjamin Martin in the end, I felt that the movie downplayed slavery a lot. They definitely villainized the British to a crazy extent making the movie to be good against evil rather than the complexities of the actual revolution. A large part of the reason the war started was because of taxes and that the British felt like they should be able to tax the colonies because they basically fought a war for them. I also found it odd that the only black man in the movie was really happy to work for Benjamin Martin in the end, I felt that the movie downplayed slavery a lot.
  
-As the reading touched on the movie definitely downplayed the assistance that the French gave the Americans. It honestly boiled it down to one character, Jean Villeneuve. Another interesting fallacy was the depiction of Fort Carolina which was quite obviously Stratford Hall in Westmoreland County, VA. - Dan Dilks+**As the reading touched on the movie definitely downplayed the assistance that the French gave the Americans.** It honestly boiled it down to one character, Jean Villeneuve. Another interesting fallacy was the depiction of Fort Carolina which was quite obviously Stratford Hall in Westmoreland County, VA. - Dan Dilks
  
 The film takes on a very American-centric view with many of the events portrayed throughout its runtime. The idea of an American nation in 1776 is counter to what was known of the colonials as they would have still considered themselves as British. The British officers that we meet are displayed as evil while the colonial staff are the underdogs with good hearts. The colonials are too much the good guy while the British are just cruel selfish snobs. Cornwall cares only for his luxuries and comfort while the colonial militia make the most of their situation. The movie sides with the colonials as the good guys while the British are cruel evil souls. Additionally, the use of famous lines in the assembly stood out to me as it sets it up as natural dialogue with phrases of famous or known works which was weird and out of place. -Robert Keitz  The film takes on a very American-centric view with many of the events portrayed throughout its runtime. The idea of an American nation in 1776 is counter to what was known of the colonials as they would have still considered themselves as British. The British officers that we meet are displayed as evil while the colonial staff are the underdogs with good hearts. The colonials are too much the good guy while the British are just cruel selfish snobs. Cornwall cares only for his luxuries and comfort while the colonial militia make the most of their situation. The movie sides with the colonials as the good guys while the British are cruel evil souls. Additionally, the use of famous lines in the assembly stood out to me as it sets it up as natural dialogue with phrases of famous or known works which was weird and out of place. -Robert Keitz 
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 Hagist, Don N. British Soldiers, American War. Yardley: Westholme, 2014. -Wilson LeCount Hagist, Don N. British Soldiers, American War. Yardley: Westholme, 2014. -Wilson LeCount
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 +The most glaring errors in historical accuracy to me was the portrayal of a Southern (from South Carolina no less) family that owned not one but two plantations and yet their African American laborers were freedmen and or treated extremely well by the family. As we've said in the previous class when discussing the Southern United States, slave labor was their primary form of labor and what they used. To have the only two real portrayals of plantation living as lacking the type of slave labor that existed at the time is to ignore the motivations of the British in offering freedom to these slaves, as vaguely and ineffectively is shown in the movie. It also ignores and glosses over the brutality and cruelty that the colonists inflicted upon their slaves and paints this idyllic plantation living that is destroyed and marred by the terrible British. The film only lightly addresses the racism of the time with offhand comments here and there about not wanting to arm slaves and about sending slaves in their place to fight, but also shows some of the perpetrators of the racist comments as magically "cured" of their racism towards the Black slave in their unit because they admire his bravery and courage to fight alongside them. The Patriot practically ignores all existence of slavery in the south in favor of portraying the classic American frontiersman stepping up to defend his country.  - Ashley Dimino
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 ====== III. How does the film’s overall interpretation(s) deviate from scholarly historical sources? ====== ====== III. How does the film’s overall interpretation(s) deviate from scholarly historical sources? ======
 The character of Col. William Tavington is evidently based on Banastre Tarleton, one of the men mentioned in the first letter in “The Rise of Partisan Warfare in the South” PDF. (The Patriot (Special Edition)) Both sport the green uniform that sets them apart from the other officers in the British Army. Tavington’s bloodthirsty-ness seems unrealistic until you read the PDF and realize that there was a person like that. However, Tavington’s readiness to burn down the church full of colonists stretched the imagination a little too much. The Church of England is just too much of an institution for the sacrilegious act of burning a church to be accepted by those involved. -Madison Roberts The character of Col. William Tavington is evidently based on Banastre Tarleton, one of the men mentioned in the first letter in “The Rise of Partisan Warfare in the South” PDF. (The Patriot (Special Edition)) Both sport the green uniform that sets them apart from the other officers in the British Army. Tavington’s bloodthirsty-ness seems unrealistic until you read the PDF and realize that there was a person like that. However, Tavington’s readiness to burn down the church full of colonists stretched the imagination a little too much. The Church of England is just too much of an institution for the sacrilegious act of burning a church to be accepted by those involved. -Madison Roberts
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 +The film does not really highlight the supply shortages that were felt within the armies, militias, and even families in the colonies. Many of the continental armies were low on supplies which is supported in the readings but is not really displayed all that well in the movie. In the movie, they are often seen shooting guns at celebrations wasting the ammunition. Another idea that was mentioned in the readings and lectures but not in the movie is the idea that the British attempted to sabotage the colonies economically. In the lecture, we talked about how the British attempted to take away the Southern colony’s labor force and in the reading, the //Boisterous Sea of Liberty// Josiah Bartlett spoke about how the British were scheming to devalue New England currency by printing counterfeits of it. The underhanded sabotage of the British was not at all mentioned in the movie. However, I think the film did a good job of portraying the lack of respect for militiamen by the British that was mentioned in the readings. -Morgan Gilbert 
  
 ====== IV. How does this movie work as a primary source about the time period in which it was made or the filmmakers? ====== ====== IV. How does this movie work as a primary source about the time period in which it was made or the filmmakers? ======
  
-This movie is interesting for its time period because I think this is the recipe for a “movie dads like”.  It has Mel Gibson who, as of 2020, is an extremely problematic actor who was blacklisted from Hollywood, but in 2000 this man was on top of the world.  His name actually feels synonymous with inaccurate historical films, The Patriot being made only five years after Braveheart.  Both of these films, in my opinion, are loved by many (middle aged men), because they are recipes for misogyny and ego.  They are the image of one man, a part of a nation, that overcomes adversity and saves the day.  In the early 2000’s this was accepted as action movies with historical settings.  The lead of these movies is the literal embodiment of whitewashed history, he is one name, one face and an epic story though absent of any substance or flaws. I find it interesting because in the past twenty years we have seen a critique of this type of film making, but not very much change.  Movies are still heavily flawed when it comes to portraying any moment of history, particularly if that moment has to do with the American image.  The British in the Patriot are evil, almost to the point of being sadists.  This movie falls into the American myth of “were the good guys everyone else is bad”.  This is not, never is, and never will be the case. -Janis Shurtleff+This movie is interesting for its time period because I think this is the recipe for a “movie dads like”.  **It has Mel Gibson who, as of 2020, is an extremely problematic actor who was blacklisted from Hollywood, but in 2000 this man was on top of the world.  His name actually feels synonymous with inaccurate historical films, The Patriot being made only five years after Braveheart.**  Both of these films, in my opinion, are loved by many (middle aged men), because they are recipes for misogyny and ego.  They are the image of one man, a part of a nation, that overcomes adversity and saves the day.  In the early 2000’s this was accepted as action movies with historical settings.  The lead of these movies is the literal embodiment of whitewashed history, he is one name, one face and an epic story though absent of any substance or flaws. I find it interesting because in the past twenty years we have seen a critique of this type of film making, but not very much change.  Movies are still heavily flawed when it comes to portraying any moment of history, particularly if that moment has to do with the American image.  The British in the Patriot are evil, almost to the point of being sadists.  This movie falls into the American myth of “were the good guys everyone else is bad”.  This is not, never is, and never will be the case. -Janis Shurtleff 
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 +I actually looked up when the movie was released because I thought the style in which it was filmed indicated it could have been made post 9/11.  **I thought this could be the case because of how pro-American the movie is.  It has the themes of freedom, equality, liberty, and overall portrays America in as positive a way as possible.**  The movie was not released post 9/11, but because of how patriotic it was, I thought it could have been.  I believe a movie like this reveals that even though it was released relatively recently, times have changed since then.  I do not believe that if a movie was made about the same subject in today's world that it would be made in the same way.  America would likely be portrayed in a much more negative light. -Daniel Walker
  
-//The Patriot//, like all of the movies we have watched so far, is a great primary source for analyzing the American film industry and their portrayal of American history. I feel that the overall "pro-American" and "anti-foreign country" is the overall theme of these movies so far. There aren't too many huge problems with this movie, historically, though the problems lie in its intentions to appeal to a popular audience. By the end of the movie, I noticed the shift in intention lying in the "anti- foreign country" as runs into the battle, American flag waving. --Tara Scroggins +//The Patriot//, like all of the movies we have watched so far, is a great primary source for analyzing the American film industry and their portrayal of American history. **I feel that the overall "pro-American" and "anti-foreign country" is the overall theme of these movies so far.** There aren't too many huge problems with this movie, historically, though the problems lie in its intentions to appeal to a popular audience. By the end of the movie, I noticed the shift in intention lying in the "anti- foreign country" as runs into the battle, American flag waving. --Tara Scroggins 
  
-I think that //The Patriot// is a decent source for the time period in which it was made. The level of violence is one thing that comes to mind, many movies from this time, especially ones that are meant to be violent because of their subject matter, are often played up and bloodied. There is also the ever present theme of at least one, if not more, tragic love story. There is also the theme of severely villianizing the non american side, that is not to say that the British were by any means the good guys in real life and they did do a lot of horrific things, however there is often in movies from this time, the one "leader" who is meant to personify all that the main character fights against and is often not American in these types of movies. Another common theme of the time period is the victorious ending, as well as the traumatic past of the main character. One more identifiable aspect is the gloss over of slavery, there are only two indications of slavery, once when they ask Ben's freed African Americans about their freedom, and once when the white man signs over his slave to war without giving him the choice (something that based on the setting would not have happened in the revolution anyway because of the location), the only other hint at the conflict came from the tension between African American militiaman and his white comrades (which was later solved). I think this movie definitely would make a good primary source for the time it was made because of its common themes that can be found in other similar movies of the time. --Kimberly Sak +I think that //The Patriot// is a decent source for the time period in which it was made. The level of violence is one thing that comes to mind, many movies from this time, especially ones that are meant to be violent because of their subject matter, are often played up and bloodied. There is also the ever present theme of at least one, if not more, tragic love story. There is also the theme of severely villianizing the non american side, that is not to say that the British were by any means the good guys in real life and they did do a lot of horrific things, however there is often in movies from this time, the one "leader" who is meant to personify all that the main character fights against and is often not American in these types of movies. Another common theme of the time period is the victorious ending, as well as the traumatic past of the main character. **One more identifiable aspect is the gloss over of slavery, there are only two indications of slavery, once when they ask Ben's freed African Americans about their freedom, and once when the white man signs over his slave to war without giving him the choice (something that based on the setting would not have happened in the revolution anyway because of the location),** **the only other hint at the conflict came from the tension between African American militiaman and his white comrades (which was later solved). I think this movie definitely would make a good primary source for the time it was made because of its common themes that can be found in other similar movies of the time. --Kimberly Sak** 
  
 Roland Emmerich, the director, is infamous for his massive set pieces and hundreds of hundreds of extras. Everything that happens in this movie is pretty typical of some of his other historical movies, such as Anonymous (2011), which is about the Oxfordian theory of Shakespeare. Explosions, random love interests, lots of dirt and blood, and a romanticized version of the past. -Madison Roberts Roland Emmerich, the director, is infamous for his massive set pieces and hundreds of hundreds of extras. Everything that happens in this movie is pretty typical of some of his other historical movies, such as Anonymous (2011), which is about the Oxfordian theory of Shakespeare. Explosions, random love interests, lots of dirt and blood, and a romanticized version of the past. -Madison Roberts
  
-I felt the movie showed that the United States loves to glorify the men who fought in the revolutionary war. In the US the Revolution is thought of as our beginning and to make the men who fought in it look like heros makes the US look good. I thought the scene that captured this best was when Mel Gibson grabs the flag, runs into combat, and flips the horse. +I felt the movie showed that the United States loves to glorify the men who fought in the revolutionary war. In the US the Revolution is thought of as our beginning and to make the men who fought in it look like heros makes the US look good. I thought the scene that captured this best was when Mel Gibson grabs the flag, runs into combat, and flips the horse. --Helen Dhue
  
-This movie was only made 20 years ago. Which doesn't seem like that long ago but the way they portrayed African Americans is really telling. They sugarcoated it, the slaves at Benjamin Martins plantation weren't slaves they were just "freed men who work the land". In South Carolina. In 1776. Something doesn't add up here. Any time there was a moment of racial tension which when presented were very light, it was immediately followed with something like the conversation Gabriel had with the African American man in the militia fighting for his freedom. Gabriel said something along the lines of "In this new world after the war all men will be created equal". Which we know was not the case. If anything this film just trys to gloss over the fact that slavery was a bad thing occurring during this time.- Dan Dilks+This movie was only made 20 years ago. Which doesn't seem like that long ago but the way they portrayed African Americans is really telling. The**y sugarcoated it, the slaves at Benjamin Martins plantation weren't slaves they were just "freed men who work the land". In South Carolina. In 1776. Something doesn't add up here. Any time there was a moment of racial tension which when presented were very light, it was immediately followed with something like the conversation Gabriel had with the African American man in the militia fighting for his freedom.** Gabriel said something along the lines of "In this new world after the war all men will be created equal". Which we know was not the case. If anything this film just trys to gloss over the fact that slavery was a bad thing occurring during this time.- Dan Dilks
  
-By trying to be authentic to history, I think the filmmakers really missed their mark and created an even more fictional character. As we talked about in class, Gibson’s character is supposed to be based off of real people: Thomas Sumter, Daniel Morgan, Andrew Pickens, and Francis Marion. After the movie came out, it was especially criticized for it’s interpretation of Francis Marion, claiming it was glorifying "a serial rapist who hunted Red Indians for fun." (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2000/jul/06/news.spikelee) By trying to create a tough with a heart of gold character like Benjamin, the filmmakers only ended up painting over incredibly important nuances of the Revolutionary War, making it seem like there were not major issues on both sides of the war. Interestingly about the film, there also seems to have been some controversary revolving around the review of the film. Supposedly a reporter from a small newspaper in Connecticut wrote a glowing review of the film. However, later it was revealed that the reporter was not a real person at all, and was only created to make a super positive review of The Patriot. (https://web.archive.org/web/20010609225327/http://www.msnbc.com/news/581770.asp?cp1=1)+By trying to be authentic to history, I think the filmmakers really missed their mark and created an even more fictional character. As we talked about in class, Gibson’s character is supposed to be based off of real people: Thomas Sumter, Daniel Morgan, Andrew Pickens, and Francis Marion. After the movie came out, it was especially criticized for it’s interpretation of Francis Marion, claiming it was glorifying "a serial rapist who hunted Red Indians for fun." (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2000/jul/06/news.spikelee) By trying to create a tough with a heart of gold character like Benjamin, the filmmakers only ended up **painting over incredibly important nuances of the Revolutionary War, making it seem like there were not major issues on both sides of the war.** Interestingly about the film, there also seems to have been some controversary revolving around the review of the film. Supposedly a reporter from a small newspaper in Connecticut wrote a glowing review of the film. However, later it was revealed that the reporter was not a real person at all, and was only created to make a super positive review of The Patriot. (https://web.archive.org/web/20010609225327/http://www.msnbc.com/news/581770.asp?cp1=1)
 Overall, I think this film is a heavy reflection of the year 2000, especially what the government wanted. This was the year George W. Bush became president, after a hotly contested election against Al Gore, and only after a supreme court ruling made it so. The country was divided and angry, and needed something to rally around. Something to point to and say “this? This is what it means to be America. This is why I love this country.” In a really weird way, this is what I think The Patriot delivered in the summer of 2000. Overall, I think this film is a heavy reflection of the year 2000, especially what the government wanted. This was the year George W. Bush became president, after a hotly contested election against Al Gore, and only after a supreme court ruling made it so. The country was divided and angry, and needed something to rally around. Something to point to and say “this? This is what it means to be America. This is why I love this country.” In a really weird way, this is what I think The Patriot delivered in the summer of 2000.
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 +**I think that this movie is a good representation of how war was portrayed during the 90s, very bloody and extreme. I think that it also was very negative in their portrayal of the British, and portrayed America in a very positive, benevolent light.** Their portrayal of slavery was also something that really displays that type of benevolence. Overall, I believe that the movie would be a good primary source on a variety of different filmmaking aspects, some good and some not so good. -- Mariah Morton
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 +This film can act as a pretty strong primary source for the time period it was made it. **The 90s and early 2000s were a time period where movies relied heavily on stereotypes and historical fiction movies were promoting a rhetoric which supported characters that embodied American principles.** Gibson’s character represented a form of the ideal American man. This was also an era that tended to gloss over problematic portions of history, and this is clear in the way they sugar-coated the role and presence of African Americans in this time period. African Americans weren’t treated awfully in the movie and it was even possible for some of them to earn their freedom which wasn’t something that happened back then. Furthermore, Gibson’s ideal patriot man is shown to be nuanced because he is guilty about his past actions. This is another way of addressing and sugar-coating the actions of patriot soldiers during the war. -Purnaja Podduturi
  
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-It's a shame there aren't many other movies made about the Revolutionary war, because pretty much anything could've done a better job than this. Without a doubt this movie shaped many American's viewpoints of the American Revolution, and since there are relatively few other movies about this conflict a lot of people take this as gospel. I think we'd like to imagine that this movie may have enticed people to learn more about the revolution but I hardly think that's the case. This isn't a movie that makes people think, it's very one sided and it doesn't leave us with any questions to ask ourselves. America good, England bad. Even more so, this movie is really damaging to the real history of the conflict, it's essentially fantasy formed around a loose series of events and people. Could it have happened? Eh, maybe? Sure, the basic premise of a guy reluctantly going out to fight to protect his family is accurate, but you can only throw in so much fiction until it becomes unbelievable. However, whether its accurate or not doesn't matter much to the public because it's one of the biggest pop-culture resources we have about the American Revolution, and unfortunately the only grounding some people have in the subject. I remember watching clips of this movie in High School history class and being told that this is what the revolution was really like. This movie, along with so many others, has been so ingrained in American pop-culture that it is almost beyond criticism. -Wilson LeCount    +It's a shame there aren't many other movies made about the Revolutionary war, because pretty much anything could've done a better job than this. Without a doubt this movie shaped many American's viewpoints of the American Revolution, and since there are relatively few other movies about this conflict a lot of people take this as gospel. I think we'd like to imagine that this movie may have enticed people to learn more about the revolution but I hardly think that's the case. This isn't a movie that makes people think, it's very one sided and it doesn't leave us with any questions to ask ourselves. America good, England bad. Even more so, this movie is really damaging to the real history of the conflict, it's essentially fantasy formed around a loose series of events and people. Could it have happened? Eh, maybe? Sure, the basic premise of a guy reluctantly going out to fight to protect his family is accurate, but you can only throw in so much fiction until it becomes unbelievable. However, whether its accurate or not doesn't matter much to the public because it's one of the biggest pop-culture resources we have about the American Revolution, and unfortunately the only grounding some people have in the subject. I remember watching clips of this movie in High School history class and being told that this is what the revolution was really like. This movie, along with so many others, has been so ingrained in American pop-culture that it is almost beyond criticism. -Wilson LeCount    
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 +As one of the only well known films about the American Revolution, sadly, this film probably comes to mind when a lot of people think about the war.  While from a cinematic perspective, the film is entertaining in my opinion, it incorporates a vastly smaller story of history than it could have.  This film is an example of a movie that is set in a historical setting but pays little attention to making it a historical film.  It could have done more to develop a story with the slave in the militia.  It could have spent more time addressing the divide between colonists over siding with the crown or with the revolution.  The movie spent almost all of the time developing personal plots and storylines rather than historical ones.  It could have had both.  The reason why all this is important is because historical films are so popular, but rarely do they use their platform to spread accurate history to the people. -Daniel Walker 
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 +As mentioned above, The Patriot serves a very obviously glorified American storyline that does highlight some of the harsher sides of history but definitely glosses over others. The movie portrays the British as prideful to the point of their own destruction but also honorless, yet the colonial militiamen had morally improved since the French and Indian War despite also doing horrendous things. The movie also does not accurately portray slavery in its storyline. Someone in George Martin’s position would most certainly have enslaved people working his land, not freedmen he paid to work. While the movie certainly addressed slavery and acknowledged it existed, and even highlighted that enslaved men could earn their freedom through service in the military, it greatly lessened the hard reality of slavery in the colonies. This inaccurate representation of a great American atrocity is perpetuated in other movies and aspects in society; this movie was a major hit and it definitely impacted people‘s opinions and understanding of historical slavery and that is why it is important to analyze this movie. -Morgan Gilbert 
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 +Cinematically, with the exception of the awful slow-motion death scenes, this is not a terrible movie. In literally any other light, it so terribly misrepresents and glorifies American history that it was honestly difficult to watch in places. The Patriot glosses over the entire industry of slavery in the South that was crucial to plantation life in order to paint the little innocent families and people as victims of the cruel and ruthless British and times of war. If the fact that a partially torn American flag in his son's bag is what motivates Benjamin Martin to fight doesn't tell you that this is intended to be an American "classic" that tells the unification of a nation, then the continued portrayal and glorification of all of the frontiersmen or the "American Pioneer" and "Redneck" definitely should. This movie grossly misrepresents American history and can leave the unknowing watcher with very important misunderstandings of what America looked like at this period and at how "revolutionary" the American Revolution was. - Ashley Dimino 
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