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| ======How does this movie work as a secondary source about the past? What does the movie get right about history? | ======How does this movie work as a secondary source about the past? What does the movie get right about history? | ||
| - | Disney’s Pocahontas has been overtly critiqued throughout the decades for its romanticization of European colonists and the subjugation of the Powhatan people, portraying years of hostility as a forbidden romance between factions. This is not only a discomforting depiction of Colonialism, | + | Disney’s Pocahontas has been overtly critiqued throughout the decades for its romanticization of European colonists and the subjugation of the Powhatan people, portraying years of hostility as a forbidden romance between factions. This is not only a discomforting depiction of Colonialism, |
| - | There are many things wrong with the retelling of Pocahontas and the events between her tribe and the English colonists in this movie, but I think there are things we can take away that strengthen our understanding of the past. For example, while we know today that the colonization of the Americas was exploitative and destructive to the existing environment and communities, | + | There are many things wrong with the retelling of Pocahontas and the events between her tribe and the English colonists in this movie, but I think there are things we can take away that strengthen our understanding of the past. For example, while we know today that the colonization of the Americas was exploitative and destructive to the existing environment and communities, |
| - | So. The movie can work as a secondary source because it shows how people today imagined and interpreted the past. The movie got some historical details right, like with the English settlers arriving in Virginia and their conflicts with Native Americans. However, it changes many of the real events and relationships to make the story more entertaining for audiences. Overall, it is useful for understanding how history can be represented in popular culture, but it should not be treated as a completely accurate account of the past. — Caitlyn Edwards. | + | So. The movie can work as a secondary source because it shows how people today imagined and interpreted the past. **The movie got some historical details right, like with the English settlers arriving in Virginia and their conflicts with Native Americans. However, it changes many of the real events and relationships to make the story more entertaining for audiences.** Overall, it is useful for understanding how history can be represented in popular culture, but it should not be treated as a completely accurate account of the past. — Caitlyn Edwards. |
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| - | As a secondary source, the film functions as a popular twentieth-century retrospective interpretation of early seventeenth-century colonial contact, synthesizing folklore and fragmented historical records to construct a palatable narrative for modern viewers. In terms of factual accuracy, the film correctly includes historical figures such as Pocahontas (Amonute/ | + | As a secondary source, the film functions as a popular twentieth-century retrospective interpretation of early seventeenth-century colonial contact, synthesizing folklore and fragmented historical records to construct a palatable narrative for modern viewers. |
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| This film has many blatant historical inaccuracies, | This film has many blatant historical inaccuracies, | ||
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| + | In terms of historical inaccuracies about Pocahontas, there is, of course, the elephant in the room: Pocahontas was a child around 11, and the film aged her up for a fictional romance with John Smith. Not only did this not occur in real life, but in reality, Smith rarely interacted with Pocahontas. And the “rescue” did not happen; it was a lie Smith concocted. And how it occurs in the movie is even more asinine. For starters, the natives in the film seek to avenge Kocoum; this did not occur, as Pocahontas did not even seek to marry him until later; by then, Smith was gone. Furthermore, | ||
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| Some issues with historical accuracy arise from Pocahontas’ age in the movie. When John Smith and Pocahontas meet, they both seem to be around the same age — or at least Pocahontas is presented as a woman. However, in 1607, when the English arrive and the year in which this movie is set, Pocahontas is believed to only be 10 or 11, and John Smith who have been more than twice her age being 27 years old in 1607. John Smith even includes this in his writings about her from the time. This is obviously done to paint a romantic relationship between the two, but it blatantly goes against the historical record. Also included within the movie’s timeline is a marriage proposal from Kocoum, but in 1607 Pocahontas isn’t considered marrying age within Powhatan culture. In real life, Pocahontas and Kocoum do not marry until 1610. Within the movie, Kocoum doesn’t even make it this far, he is killed by the Englishman Thomas after he attempts to kill John Smith. It is believed that Kocoum is killed in 1613 with an interaction with Englishman when they kidnap Pochontas. — Nora M. | Some issues with historical accuracy arise from Pocahontas’ age in the movie. When John Smith and Pocahontas meet, they both seem to be around the same age — or at least Pocahontas is presented as a woman. However, in 1607, when the English arrive and the year in which this movie is set, Pocahontas is believed to only be 10 or 11, and John Smith who have been more than twice her age being 27 years old in 1607. John Smith even includes this in his writings about her from the time. This is obviously done to paint a romantic relationship between the two, but it blatantly goes against the historical record. Also included within the movie’s timeline is a marriage proposal from Kocoum, but in 1607 Pocahontas isn’t considered marrying age within Powhatan culture. In real life, Pocahontas and Kocoum do not marry until 1610. Within the movie, Kocoum doesn’t even make it this far, he is killed by the Englishman Thomas after he attempts to kill John Smith. It is believed that Kocoum is killed in 1613 with an interaction with Englishman when they kidnap Pochontas. — Nora M. | ||
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| Much of the historical inaccuracies come from information being completely left out. When Pocahontas “saved” John Smith’s life, it was most likely exaggerated or misunderstood. Along with this, the movie glazes over the fact that Pocahontas was already married to Kocoum. Also, instead of simply choosing to help the settlers, she was taken as a hostage and converted to the beliefs of the English settlers and John Rolfe took advantage of her being her capture. -Alyssa G. | Much of the historical inaccuracies come from information being completely left out. When Pocahontas “saved” John Smith’s life, it was most likely exaggerated or misunderstood. Along with this, the movie glazes over the fact that Pocahontas was already married to Kocoum. Also, instead of simply choosing to help the settlers, she was taken as a hostage and converted to the beliefs of the English settlers and John Rolfe took advantage of her being her capture. -Alyssa G. | ||
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| + | The historical inaccuracies in Pocahontas range from the small and possibly trivial to more serious errors that simplify complex dynamics. | ||
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| + | The costume choices made for this film present an interesting case study in historical adaptation for a modern audience. While it's understandable that changes were made to suit a younger demographic and contemporary sensibilities, | ||
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| ======How does the film’s overall interpretation(s) deviate from scholarly historical sources (as presented in class)? | ======How does the film’s overall interpretation(s) deviate from scholarly historical sources (as presented in class)? | ||
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| One significant way that the film deviates from the scholarly historical sources is the relationship portrayed between John Smith and Pocahontas. Smith and Pocahontas met first when she was a 10-year-old girl and he was middle-aged. Because of their large age gap and difference in language and cultural practices, it is unlikely the two could have formed a close relationship. Additionally in his accounts he never mentions a significant personal relationship between the two of them. In reality, Pocahontas has a much more personal relationship with colonist John Rolfe as the two marry. - Kendall | One significant way that the film deviates from the scholarly historical sources is the relationship portrayed between John Smith and Pocahontas. Smith and Pocahontas met first when she was a 10-year-old girl and he was middle-aged. Because of their large age gap and difference in language and cultural practices, it is unlikely the two could have formed a close relationship. Additionally in his accounts he never mentions a significant personal relationship between the two of them. In reality, Pocahontas has a much more personal relationship with colonist John Rolfe as the two marry. - Kendall | ||
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| ======How does this movie work as a primary source about the time in which it was made?====== | ======How does this movie work as a primary source about the time in which it was made?====== | ||
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| Pocahontas works as a primary source about late 20th century views on colonial times. By the 1990’s, most Americans no longer held beliefs that Native Americans were inherently backwards savages, and therefore the culture allowed for successful films to be made from their perspective. However, compared to the present day, there was less concern for accurately portraying the nature of their relationship with the colonists. The movie very much tries to “play both sides” with the conflict between colonists and Natives, and it mostly portrays both sides as equally misguided in clashing with each other. Generally, Pocahontas acts as a primary source to a time where films centering on Native Americans’ perspectives existed, but were often guided by presenting both Natives and colonists as equally right and wrong. - Hunter M. | Pocahontas works as a primary source about late 20th century views on colonial times. By the 1990’s, most Americans no longer held beliefs that Native Americans were inherently backwards savages, and therefore the culture allowed for successful films to be made from their perspective. However, compared to the present day, there was less concern for accurately portraying the nature of their relationship with the colonists. The movie very much tries to “play both sides” with the conflict between colonists and Natives, and it mostly portrays both sides as equally misguided in clashing with each other. Generally, Pocahontas acts as a primary source to a time where films centering on Native Americans’ perspectives existed, but were often guided by presenting both Natives and colonists as equally right and wrong. - Hunter M. | ||
| - | The movie was released in 1995, and likely in production through the early 1990s. During this time period, ideas about the past were changing to be more like modern day. This is the first and only Native American princess Disney has released, and also the same time period Mulan and Tiana came into fruition. This could mean more of an emphasis on diversity to appeal to a wider audience. The movie, having been geared towards children, will never be as accurate as the real story. But to fit the Disney Princess mold, the story was over romanticized. The choices of the writers of the film as well to include John Smith using the term “savage” so much also points to what was accepted in the 90’s. Smith also bragged about killing Natives all over the Americas earlier in the film. Pocahontas in the story just took it for some reason. Besides the problematic parts of the film which do speak to public attitudes at the time, Pocahontas did employ Native Americans to be voice actors which is a step up in representation from prior years. All in all, the messages are a bit confusing. -KD | + | The movie was released in 1995, and likely in production through the early 1990s. During this time period, ideas about the past were changing to be more like modern day. This is the first and only Native American princess Disney has released, and also the same time period Mulan and Tiana came into fruition. This could mean more of an emphasis on diversity to appeal to a wider audience. The movie, having been geared towards children, will never be as accurate as the real story. But to fit the Disney Princess mold, the story was over romanticized. The choices of the writers of the film as well to include John Smith using the term “savage” so much also points to what was accepted in the 90’s. Smith also bragged about killing Natives all over the Americas earlier in the film. Pocahontas in the story just took it for some reason. Besides the problematic parts of the film which do speak to public attitudes at the time, Pocahontas did employ Native Americans to be voice actors which is a step up in representation from prior years. All in all, the messages are a bit confusing. -Katie D. |
| Disney’s Pocahontas came out in 1995, putting production of the film in the early 1990s, which was a time in which romanticization of the past was met with less scrupulosity than in the present day. However, that does not excuse the film’s blatant disregard for retelling history in a manner that is truthful in any way. Depiction of a romantic relationship between Pocahontas and John Smith as the center of the movie’s plot is more than simply factually inaccurate, it’s also incredibly tone deaf considering the events that are being retold in the film were in actuality a brutal colonization that would decimate 90% of the indigenous American population. - Leah B. | Disney’s Pocahontas came out in 1995, putting production of the film in the early 1990s, which was a time in which romanticization of the past was met with less scrupulosity than in the present day. However, that does not excuse the film’s blatant disregard for retelling history in a manner that is truthful in any way. Depiction of a romantic relationship between Pocahontas and John Smith as the center of the movie’s plot is more than simply factually inaccurate, it’s also incredibly tone deaf considering the events that are being retold in the film were in actuality a brutal colonization that would decimate 90% of the indigenous American population. - Leah B. | ||
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| Pocahontas works as a primary source for the 1990s because it reflects how Americans at the time wanted to welcome diversity in mainstream media more without including the uncomfortable history. The movie tries to celebrate Native American culture, but only in a softened, romanticized way that was safe for mainstream audiences. The message seems to be that both sides need to understand each other highlighting decades of optimism and avoiding deeper conversations about colonial violence. -Alyssa G. | Pocahontas works as a primary source for the 1990s because it reflects how Americans at the time wanted to welcome diversity in mainstream media more without including the uncomfortable history. The movie tries to celebrate Native American culture, but only in a softened, romanticized way that was safe for mainstream audiences. The message seems to be that both sides need to understand each other highlighting decades of optimism and avoiding deeper conversations about colonial violence. -Alyssa G. | ||
| + | Pocahontas serves as a primary source for the 90’s as multiple aspects of the film reflects the time. One is that it came out during the Disney Renaissance, | ||
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| + | The 1990s were a time where women, including women of color, were increasingly visible in politics, society, and entertainment. | ||
| ======The "So What" Question -- Why should we care about the movie and its version of history? | ======The "So What" Question -- Why should we care about the movie and its version of history? | ||
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| Historical movies have a massive impact on how the average person views the past. Popular films reach a far wider audience than academic writing because people voluntarily watch movies in their free time, while very few casually read scholarly history. Film is also visual and immersive; when people picture what the past looked like, what people wore, or how they acted, they usually recall a movie rather than a primary source. Pocahontas is an especially critical example because it depicts early contact between Native Americans and English colonists. Because it is aimed at children, the film serves as many people’s very first impression of Native history and culture. That makes thoughtful, historically accurate representation crucial. Unfortunately, | Historical movies have a massive impact on how the average person views the past. Popular films reach a far wider audience than academic writing because people voluntarily watch movies in their free time, while very few casually read scholarly history. Film is also visual and immersive; when people picture what the past looked like, what people wore, or how they acted, they usually recall a movie rather than a primary source. Pocahontas is an especially critical example because it depicts early contact between Native Americans and English colonists. Because it is aimed at children, the film serves as many people’s very first impression of Native history and culture. That makes thoughtful, historically accurate representation crucial. Unfortunately, | ||
| - | While the importance of historical accuracy in movies will always be contested, there is something to say about the portrayals of different parts of history by a major movie studio. As we’ve discussed in class, if a movie is someone’s first introduction to that time period or conflict, then they are more inclined to take what they see as fact versus interpretation. Disney is the biggest movie studio in the world. They’ve been around for nearly 100 years, and their films are shown all around the world. Disney also makes an effort to keep their animated princesses alive. So Disney releasing Pocahontas means more people will be watching that film rather than reading John Smith’s personal accounts. Ergo, the Disney movie is most likely people’s first introductions to colonial America and Native Americans than other forms of media are. Especially since the movie is geared towards children. It can be argued that because of the studio and age group targeted, media should be held to higher scrutiny as to not overly romanticize an interaction. -KD | + | While the importance of historical accuracy in movies will always be contested, there is something to say about the portrayals of different parts of history by a major movie studio. As we’ve discussed in class, if a movie is someone’s first introduction to that time period or conflict, then they are more inclined to take what they see as fact versus interpretation. Disney is the biggest movie studio in the world. They’ve been around for nearly 100 years, and their films are shown all around the world. Disney also makes an effort to keep their animated princesses alive. So Disney releasing Pocahontas means more people will be watching that film rather than reading John Smith’s personal accounts. Ergo, the Disney movie is most likely people’s first introductions to colonial America and Native Americans than other forms of media are. Especially since the movie is geared towards children. It can be argued that because of the studio and age group targeted, media should be held to higher scrutiny as to not overly romanticize an interaction. -Katie D. |
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| + | One thing that surprised me about this film was actually how prevalent the theme of American exceptionalism was baked into the story. In the song //Mine, Mine, Mine//, John Smith, characterized rightly or wrongly as an experienced explorer and adventurer, marvels at the land and sings about how he's been searching for a wild country like this that a man can tame and where "a man can be bold." The film also shifts the blame for colonial violence and warfare primarily onto a single, greedy English nobleman while presenting the other colonists as falling for Ratcliffe' | ||
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| + | One of the biggest reasons I will advocate for this film is the impact it had, especially with Irene Bedard, who is of Alaska Native descent, voicing Pocahontas. That was huge for the film industry, especially for a Walt Disney blockbuster, | ||
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